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Thank you for your reply, Yetzirah.....now let me ask you this. If you have a son, it is said he came out of your loins is it not? Loins means the seat of the ability to reproduce the nature of a thing. Spiritually speaking, it can mean also mind or heart, the innermost being.

So even though your son is not you, in that you are separate IN THE FLESH, yet he is you, because you carried him in your loins, and he carries your DNA, the "mark" of YOUR seed.

Messiah was quite literally, the invisible thought in the heart of the Father, that once reproduced, became the visible pattern Son displaying all the attributes of the Father's innermost desires. This is the same principle of G-d speaking (a thought manifested) the creation into existence.

So this "mark", is what enables Him to beget children, SPIRITUAL children, and is what enables Abraham our father (father = first in rank, position or originator of) to receive honor and glory in the blessing that he would begat or be a FATHER or bring forth SEED, in which ALL THE NATIONS OF THE EARTH, would be blessed.

Why is Abraham blessed through this? Because Abraham was the father of our faith, the first to believe G-d, the first to lay down the natural promise (Isaac) to obtain the spiritual (ram = the Son that is born of the Spirit) and most importantly, the first to look for a city (multiple habitations) made without hands = the SPIRITUAL body of believers who have been taken from every kindred and every nation, birthed by the will of the Spirit and not the lust of the flesh of man.

In other words, when Messiah said, Abraham saw my day and was glad, what Abraham saw was the Spiritual Son of G-d that was still in the Father's loins, and that moved him to look for what he had seen, in the natural. Because Yeshua's body is not made with hands, nor can you say, look He is there, or lo, He is here, because It is a many-membered body, a body of magnificent SPIRIT enrobed in lowly flesh, the firstborn of which was Yeshua, the pattern Son.

'Funny that non-semites, know better the difference between pronounciacion between W and V' - Yetzirah231

Will Yetzirah 231 declare that there is a problem with the very conservative rabbis of the Jews who pronounce with a "v".  Donot they widely insist that this "v" is the way Jews should pronounce the name of Jehovah among themselves?

Isn't it mostly us Gentiles or writers from before the 1970s who would use the "w" in the Jewish way of writing Jehovah as YHWH or Yahweh?

  And in writing it out as YKVK, don't the very conservative Jews replace the "h" with a "k" and leave the "v" intact to preserve some sacred letter association?    

It looks like Yetzirah 231 has more to contend with his own rabbis on how they should or shouldn't speak and write Hebrew than with some others who follow their Hebrew writing example.  

Pure hart thanks, I know it sounded synicall to say non-semites, and excused for it...

But it was about this statement:


So I don't know the source ment here, but it might be o.k.
BUT the whole idea how people should breath and put there mouth, is even hard for westeners to practise, also for Jewish westernmouthed people.
For example the Wav, might be by Jemenite Jews be spoken as W, and Western Jews as V. Sometimes closer to U. And in the name Shalom, the W is an O...
So to understand when and what is a tradition by itself.
And who knows the tradition how the Name of God should be spoken????

Conservative??? (you mean between Liberal and Orthodox, or is most Conservative most Orthodox?)
I'm regular Orthodox, what conservative Jews might claim is a big question here, what is there source???
and the K is just there to prevent that people will speak His name by exident etc. A K or Yud or Wav might all be sacred...

No for me the explanation about just breath, and it proofs itself what the pronounciation should be, is disturbing...

Burning Bush,
thanks for reply. It sounds nice and it is your believe not mine...
My main question was still, ''where does the S sound come from?'