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wk, you still misunderstand my postition. I am not saying that traditions, just by merely being traditions, are evil, or not God-inspired. However, being traditions, they do not necessarily apply to ALL people. One group can do things this way, and another MIGHT BE EQUALLY INSPIRED to do it "that way". Neither is "wrong" or "right", UNLESS they contradict, or are believed to supersede, scripture.

Is that more clear now?

Bottom line: if anyone can claim that they have inspiration from God to follow a particular doctrine, how do we know it is a true revelation from God? By comparing it to scripture. Not the Talmud, not the History/writings of the Church fathers, not Reformers writings, not J. Vernon McGee. Those are ALL opinions/commentary.

There is one source of truth by which the words of all men must be measured: scripture.

Jews, then and now, look to the prophecies of the OT to find Jesus. Not tradition. Tradition might say "any man can be messiah", as they claim right here on this site, take a look for yourself. But there is only ONE MAN who fulfilled the prophecy first mentioned by God in Gen 3:15 through all the prophets, and contained even in songs written by David, etc. All recorded in scripture.

I am not bearing false witness. Keeping Sabbath on Saturday, keeping Passover instead of Christmas and Easter, and other things that you've promoted are all part of the 613 mitzvot.

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And not keeping them is anti-scripture. Like it or not Goy...they were changed for anti-Semitism's sake.

SABBATH *IS* SATURDAY... it has NOT changed! What in the heck are you talking about, Goy?

And Passover, the very DATE he was sacrificed was the 14th of Nisan...just as important as WHERE, WAS WHEN! If He had not been sacrificed on the 14th of Nisan, He would be a false messiah...just like if He had not been sacrificed on Mt. Moriah/Golgotha/Calvary!!! IT MATTERS, GOY!

-let God be true and every man a liar-

THAT'S ALL I will say to YOU any more about those topics.

the second sentence of the red text says beast. the whole thing says that the beast HAS THE NUMBER OF A MAN and not that the BEAST IS A MAN.  

I don't think anyone is disputing when Jesus was sacrificed.  We are talking about when the Resurrection is celebrated.  The Passover Lamb is the fullfilment of what the Jewish Passover was pointing to.  Ripley, as you've pointed out, since there is nothing in scripture telling us when to celebrate the Resurrection, we should be able to celebrate it as we choose right?  Jesus was crucified on a Friday and Resurrected on a Sunday.  In the early church, the Resurrection and the mysteries of the sacrifice of the final and perfect Passover Lamb were celebrated on "the Lord's day" (See Revelation) and it was celebrated every Lord's day, not just on the Lord's day nearest the 14th of Nissan.  This is clear from writings of the early church.  The dispute of when the Resurrection was celebrated had more to do with ensuring it was celebrated on the Lord's day, Sunday. than anything else. You are free to worship on the Sabbath, and enter into a day of rest, just as others are free to celebrate on the Lord's Day, Sunday, and enter into the Resurrection, i.e. New Life!  What the heck, why not just take the whole weekend off!!!!

However, Resurrection took place "3 days and 3 nights" after the sacrifice. So, Resurrection Day should be celebrated in correspondance with 14th of Nisan.

This year, for example, Passover was on April 19th. "Easter" was on March 23rd.




Actually, there is evidence (from scripture) that they continued to gather on every Sabbath then after Sabbath ended, in the evening (still Saturday, by Roman time keeping) celebrated Resurrection by worshipping Messiah. That would be the "earliest church"; ie: Apostles and first followers, both Jews and Gentiles.

"The Lord's Day" in Rev. is not a settled matter either. Many believe it to be "The Day of the Lord", or end times, as John further goes on to speak of, the whole of Revelation.

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OK, find that here in this quote for me then:
""... it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. ... Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way." ~ Constantine

I'll stick with Polycrates on this one:
"As for us, then, we scrupulously observe the exact day, neither adding nor taking away. For in Asia great luminaries such as Philip and his daughters, John, Polycarp, Sagaris, Papirius, and Melito have gone to their rest...These all kept the Passover on the fourteenth day of the month, in accordance with the Gospel, without ever deviating from it, but keeping to the rule of faith. Moreover I also, Polycrates, (who am the least of you all, in accordance with the tradition of my relatives, some of whom I have succeeded—seven of my relatives were bishops, and I am the eighth, and my relatives) have always observed the day when the people put away the leaven—I myself, brethren, I say, who am sixty-five years old in the Lord, and have fallen in with the brethren in all parts of the world, and have read through all Holy Scripture, am not afraid of threats. For those who are greater than I have said, We ought to obey God rather than men."
  
""There are, then, some who through ignorance raise disputes about these things (though their conduct is pardonable: for ignorance is no subject for blame -- it rather needs further instruction...)...The fourteenth day, the true Passover of the Lord; the great sacrifice, the Son of God instead of the lamb, who was bound, who bound the strong, and who was judged, though Judge of living and dead, and who was delivered into the hands of sinners to be crucified, who was lifted up on the horns of the unicorn, and who was pierced in His holy side, who poured forth from His side the two purifying elements, water and blood, word and spirit, and who was buried on the day of the passover, the stone being placed upon the tomb." ~ Appolinaris

Furthermore, wk, what I find *very interesting* is that in all the Father's writings, no appeal to what "The Foundation of the Roman Church", Peter, did or said concerning the subject.

Polycarp, though, who was a direct disciple of the Apostle John, who has the same claim to "Apostolic succession" is quoted:
Irenaeus, who observed the "first Sunday" rule, notes of Polycarp: "For Anicetus could not persuade Polycarp to forgo the observance [of his Nisan 14 practice] inasmuch as these things had been always observed by John the disciple of the Lord, and by other apostles with whom he had been conversant." (c. AD 180; 1.569 "Ante-Nicene Church Fathers"). Irenaeus also notes that this was not only Polycarp's practice, but was the practice of John the disciple and the other apostles that Polycarp knew.

I wish he would have listed those "Apostles with whom he had been conversant" and can only wonder if that included Peter.

In addition, it is the Lord's death that atones, not His Resurrection. His Resurrection is ONE MORE PROOF that He IS Who he said He was. Just like all the other proofs; they do not save us either; ie: virgin birth, Bethlehem, healings, miracles, etc.

The focus that God put on our sin offering was the date it happened. The focus man has put on it (in keeping a certain day) is the Resurrection (moved), and birth (Christmas). Neither of those days is commanded to keep in a certain way, or on a certain day. The date of birth is not even mentioned, unless we have yet to uncover it in scripture.

Now, don't get me wrong, it all goes hand in hand. But God was very specific about the date of Passover. If it's important to God, it should be important to us, too.

Shalom to all,

I used to be active in Messianic congregations in Israel until I really decided to study the Bible, early Judaism and early Christianity in depth.  This had the result of making me enter the Catholic Church.  You can read my testimony here http://www.israelcatholic.com/content/vi...6/lang,en/
It always amazes me when JEWS come up with all the old anti-Catholic prejudices and cliches (let alone quote Jack Chick) and hang on to a faith that is so Protestant and at times so far removed from historical Judaism and Christianity.  I used to be anti-Catholic but the anti-religion mantras of (some) messianic jews and their disdain for both orthodox Judaism and Christianity thankfully let me to discover the fullness of Yeshua the Messiah in the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church that He founded!