People have been using Romans 10:9 as a defense of the sinners prayer.
But they stress the confess and leave out the big AND in the verse.
That if thou shall confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, AND shalt bekieve in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved.
I also said that Peter's confession didnt save him Mat 16;16 for 1
Peters confession wasn't vainly repeated, it was revealed to him by God
"Bless art hou, Simon Barjona for the flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, bu my Father which is in heaven.
And it isn't 6 verses later that Jesus rebukes him harshly,
"but he turned and said unto Peter, get thee behind me Satan; thou art an offense unto me; for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men", Mat 16;23
Can a person give birth to himself?
Can a fetus give the command "I will be born today" and come forth from the womb?
Neither can a man be born of the spirit by his own will.
Marks admonition:
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
If all you do is the sinner's prayer....you're still lost without baptism.
Our election was made before the earth was made.
We (the elect) are pre-determined to salvation, at God's command in the fulness of time.
Things like sincere confessions are the fruits of faith. The sinners prayer is not the Gospel. The Gospel is the seed, a sincere confession is the fruit. To put confession before the HEARING of the Gospel is to put the cart before the horse.
Many modern evangelist sow the sinners prayer onto unprepared ground and declare the tares that come up to be wheat. These tares come up and choke what litle wheat there is. That's why we see so many unrepentant sinners in america's churches. An enemy hath done this!
Many also sow the Gospel seed onto un-plowed ground. They use a feather duster (the lukewarm, seeker friendly half gospel) when a plow is called for. They deny the wrath and judgment of God, they deny the sinful nature of man. Then they cast the seed and catch it in the air. They put it in their barns and make bread of it. They are eating their seed grain!
Our election was made before the earth was made.
We (the elect) are pre-determined to salvation, at God's command in the fulness of time.
Sorry Prophet Danial I disagree here....we are NOT the elect we are the Bride of Christ...the Hebrews are the ELECT of GOD.
1 Corinthians 12:1-3 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. (2) Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. (3) Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 7:16-20 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? (17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. (18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. (19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. (20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Luke 13:1-9 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. (2) And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? (3) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (4) Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? (5) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (6) He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. (7) Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why encumbereth it the ground? (8) And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: (9) And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call
Jhn 4:1 ¶ When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
Jhn 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
We can assume it was in Jesus Name since Peter baptized in Jesus' Name
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned
As I said, saying the sinner's prayer is all well and good but you have to take the next step to be saved
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call
Jhn 4:1 ¶ When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
Jhn 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
We can assume it was in Jesus Name since Peter baptized in Jesus' Name
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned
As I said, saying the sinner's prayer is all well and good but you have to take the next step to be saved
Is it as you say? Or is it according to the soveriegn hand of the Almighty?
Luke 23:39-43
And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. (40) But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? (41) And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. (42) And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. (43) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Of course the possibility might be considered that this malefactor had actually been baptized by John. It was three years at least before the crucifixion that John began to baptize. But then we must also acknowledge the baptism of the Holy Ghost, yet to come at Pentecost. Were the disciples saved with only John's baptism? Acts Ch. 19 is a must read...
So much simpler for me to trust God to bring to pass what is necessary, than to define it for myself or for others. The third world church might scorn us for our wranglings in doctrine. Let God be God and obey Him, yes? This to all, not just to prophet, and right back in my face too.
Ye hypoctites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honour me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.
Mat 15:7
THERE IS NO "I" IN GRACE
Many come to church seeking riches and success in the world, they say the "sinners prayer" for all the wrong reasons as it is written-
Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. James 4:3
Some one wrote that the elect are the jews and the gentiles the bride which is error, for the wall of seperation was brought down at the cross as it is written in Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek or Jew.....:but Christ is all, and in all.
Put on therefore, AS THE ELECT OF GOD, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies..etc.
Is a confession of sin the same as a confession of Christ?
THERE IS NO "I" IN GRACE.
Yet how often do we hear "I" prayed to receive Christ?
Lambsev..
the theif on the cross was a special case was before Jesus died and before Holy Ghost given and getting of the cross to baptise him wasn't an option so God in Christ spoke to the theif and made a royal decision to allow him into paradise.
However we are given a commandment to repent and be baptised in Jesus Name for remission of sin and recieve the Holy Ghost.
as you say Act 19 is interesting reading howver most people ignore parts they don't like...NO ONE can now get saved just by saying forgive me lord or saying the sinners prayer.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
You can't say the sinners prayer and leave it at that
nor can you just accept Christ and leave it at that nor do I believe(but that is God's area not mine) that if you have been given God's true plan of salvation while young and figure to leave it till your death bed I believe your out of luck....and since no man knows when or how he will die it is not the brightest thing to do
Prophet Danial....
It was Paul that said the Jews are the elect...2nd the anti christ will fool the very elect of God...since the bride will be gone at that time who exactly do you thing the Anti-Christ is going to fool?
Yes there is no Jew and Gentile in Christ...but those who are not in Christ are still Jews....why don't you read what Paul said in Romans 9 -12 before you call it false since Paul is the one that said it and wrote it.