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Hi my name is Gayle and I am a Christian. Jews for Jesus is not new to me because I sought them out when the Holy Spirit came to me and told me who I am whit G_d. I started out as most Christian did in a Penticostal Holiness church my great grandmother was an evangelist. I was raised up with the Christian traditions of celebrating Christimas with the knowledge that it was the Birthday of Jesus/Yeshua but now I know this is not true. It has grieved me to know such a tragic mistake has been made here in America amoung us Christians whom love our Lord with all of our hearts and I cannot seem to get my children to understand that this is part of a false doctrine put up by the Roman Catholic Church. Does any one know for sure how the real Christmas came about and was it first a pagan ritual or was it first a day set out by our fore fathers to celebrate a day for our Lord and Saviors Birth.

Sincerely

Your sister in Yeshua
Gayle Morgan

Gail, just read Romans 14. You can celebrate Christmas as long as you're celebrating God.

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and that site use the arguments people sue againts christmas and answers them back.

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"Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!"

(2 Corinthians 9:15).

DavidJ

Yeshua was most probably born on Sukkot the Feast of mandatory rejoicing (Lev.23), the Feast of Tabernacles (Zech.14) (Acts 15:16-17) (John 8:12).

It can be ascertained according to the service of the divisions of Priests  (Luke 1:58-9) and the conceptions times of Elizabeth and Miriam spoken of in Luke.

The traditional manger seen in the christian christmas scene looks very much like a sukkah.  

So celebrate His birth at the most probable time away from the commercial  distractions.  

And also celebrate His resurrection at the right time on God's Feast of First Fruits.  He is our First fruits from the dead.  

Ruth

Hi Gayle (rgmorga),

If the dates chosen to celebrate Christ's birth and resurrection were originally observations for pagan deities;


Consider this commandment.

(Moses, speaking to the children of Israel.)
2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:

3And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.

4Ye shall not do so unto the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 12:2-5


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The Jews have a curse: "May his name be blotted out."
Referring to God blotting out a man's name from memory and his name from the book of life.

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Celebrations of Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of the living God, had destroyed the memory and observance of pagan "gods" from their "place" on the calendar; Fulfilling the commandment: destroy the names of them out of that place.

Worshipers of the one true and living God, had seen to it that the names and practices of those creations of the hands of men and man's wicked imagination had been Blotted Out, through the celebration, and remembrance of the birth and triumph of God's only begotten son--over sin, hell and the grave.

Ironically, it is Christians seeking to impose their bad conscience onto other believers that is causing these "gods" and their observances to be brought back into memory and re-erected.

Hi Gayle (rgmorga),

God's word has a very specific, on-point commandment for observing special days:

5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. Romans 14:5-7


You yourself admit that you are unsure of your own convictions:


--yet you are trying to convince others to follow your practice.


Romans 14:10 You, then, why do you judge your brother?

Romans 14:22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God.

If you cannot celebrate Christmas in good conscience, don't.

At the same time, Don't unload your bad conscience for the holiday on someone who celebrates it to the Lord with joy and clean conscience.

Gayle, please understand, I am not saying you are wrong in not observing the holiday.  You withhold in respect and fear of the Lord. In a sense you are declaring a holy fast--between yourself and the Lord.  Follow the instructions for observing a fast--don't make a spectacle of your abstinence--keep it between yourself and God. He will accept it as holy.

Just as he accepts as holy the person, who in good conscience, celebrates his son's birth and resurrection.

Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. Romans 14:4


As GoyOfY'shua recommended:
Just read Romans 14

Accept him whose faith is weak,
without passing judgment on disputable matters.

>"Does any one know for sure how the real Christmas came about and was it first a pagan ritual or was it first a day set out by our fore fathers to celebrate a day for our Lord and Saviors Birth "

How the real Christmas came about is described in Luke 2.

"And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men."

>"...was it first a pagan ritual or was it first a day set out by our fore fathers..."

The answer is neither as both choices are false, although a case could be made for the shepards being forefathers. I don't read anything pagan in the above scripture. Do you? Clearly, this was a Holy Day (holiday) and was celebrated with an angel and "a multitude of the heavenly host praising God". If God celebrated the birth of His only begotten Son with this kind of spectacle, who are we to not celebrate as well?

I'd be curious as to why one might feel that reading Luke 2 aloud and having a communion service (the Christ Mass) would be an inappropriate observance of the birth of our Savior.

God bless...

Gayle,

I admire your veracity in trying to figure out the actual birth day of Christ, but as some of the others have already written, I don't see the point in trying to reverse an established tradition that has existed well over three centuries. I don't see it as any more important to celebrate it on any other specific day as I agree that all days were created equally by Him and for Him. It is interesting that some people think that Jesus was born on the Sukkot, I will definitely check the Scripture references again! As for the Feast of Tabernacles and the First Fruits, it is my prayer that we can all make every day like that, praising Him with every part of our lives. The same argument could be made about Easter since the date is set according to the cycles of the moon each and every year. But isn't Easter celebrated by the Father each and every day one of His lost children comes to know Him through faith in Jesus. Weren't all the major Jewish holiday observances proscribed by the Lord and for Him to display His own power and might. So whether it's on December 25th or some other day, rejoice in telling others what the Lord has done for you. You never know if your scattered seed will land on fertile soil and bring someone else into the Lord's sheep pen. Jesus never invalidated the process of giving a gift or putting up a Christmas tree. He said, Mt 7:8 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
Mt 7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets

Reading the Red Letters:

I ask the moderators not to post my reply. Should have left it alone.