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On another thread we are hearing about the wonderful things the Roman Catholic Church did for the Jewish people under the Nazi regime.

Now lets look at the WHOLE TRUTH!

Some of the most horrific Holocaust  atrocities against Jews were perpetrated by the Pavelic regime in Croatia. The tragic history of the Jewish communities in that country has yet to be told because there are literally no survivors. But part of the documentation still survives. Avi Yaffe of IsraCast reveals documented evidence of how the Roman Catholic church collaborated in the annihilation of the Jewish communities of Croatia. The town of Vukovar, located on the Croatian border with Serbia, is only but one example of what transpired in Croatia where the Ustasha movement was unleashed, with the support of the Catholic church, to launch a sadistic campaign of murder and torture against Serbs, Jews and Gypsies. The Ustasha barbarity was said to have even shocked their German masters.

on May 25, 1941, in an article in a Catholic Action publication entitled "Why are the Jews Being Persecuted", Priest Franjo Kralik justifies the persecution on religious grounds:

"The descendants of those who hated Jesus, who condemned him to death, who crucified him and immediately persecuted his pupils, are guilty of greater excesses that those of their forefathers .... Satan helped them invent Socialism and Communism .... The movement for freeing the world from the Jews is a movement for the renaissance of human dignity. The Almighty and All-wise God is behind this movement."

BE WARNED! THE LEOPARD HAS NOT CHANGED ITS SPOTS!

DavidJ

Poor Dick Morris. Maybe Alan Colmes thinks, "If Robert Novak and Dick Morris are Roman Catholic, maybe it's better that I not be Christian." Both Morris and Novak are covertos, or Roman Catholic Jews; and I think that both are saved.

So, Golda Meir,Nahum Goldmann, President of the World Jewish Congress,Elio Toaff, Chief Rabbi of Rome,Albert Einstein, Rabbi Lapide,Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Isaac Herzog, and Rabbi Safran of Bucharest are all stupid or liars according to you guys.

No, if you want the truth ( and if the truth is important to you ) on these matters, these are the ultimate sources to listen to.

If you have an anti catholic agenda, you of cause will quote communist propagandists, and sensationist authors that aren't Jewish. Its funny how you completely ignore contemperary Jewish leaders of the time, to peddle anti Catholic fictitious crap.

Not at all; none of these persons addressed the issue of papist unspeakable attrocities to the Jewish Croats. It would be useful if I could produce pictorial evidence on the JFJ Forums - perhaps you would be in denial over those also!


I am not suggest they did not tell truth - just that they limited it!


As I have alread said, I am a true catholic. As we progress through this thread much evidence will be produced to prove Roman Catholic persecution of the Jewish People throughout history.

It is late at night here in the UK so I will start with the evidence tomorrow!

DavidJ

Really???

”Whence you ought to know that the bishop is in the Church, and the Church in the bishop; and if any one be not with the bishop, that he is not in the Church, and that those flatter themselves in vain who creep in, not having peace with God's priests, and think that they communicate secretly with some; while the Church, which is Catholic and one, is not cut nor divided, but is indeed connected and bound together by the cement of priests who cohere with one another.” Cyprian, To Florentius, Epistle 66/67 (A.D. 254).

"And he says to him again after the resurrection, 'Feed my sheep.' It is on him that he builds the Church, and to him that he entrusts the sheep to feed. And although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single Chair, thus establishing by his own authority the source and hallmark of the (Church's) oneness. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, and it is (thus) made clear that there is but one flock which is to be fed by all the apostles in common accord. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness of Peter, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in the Church? This unity firmly should we hold and maintain, especially we bishops, presiding in the Church, in order that we may approve the episcopate itself to be the one and undivided." Cyprian, The Unity of the Church, 4-5 (A.D. 251-256).

“We must hold to the Christian religion and to communication in her Church, which is Catholic and which is called Catholic not only by her own members but even by all her enemies. For when heretics or the adherents of schisms talk about her, not among themselves but with strangers, willy-nilly they call her nothing else but Catholic. For they will not be understood unless they distinguish her by this name which the whole world employs in her regard.” Augustine, The True Religion, 7:12 (A.D. 390).

"Number the bishops from the See of Peter itself. And in that order of Fathers see who has succeeded whom. That is the rock against which the gates of hell do not prevail" Augustine, Psalm against the Party of Donatus, 18 (A.D. 393).

These Church Fathers are Catholics, but they are in communion with the Chair of Peter. Are you in communion with the Chair Peter, if not, you aren't Catholic.

There are about hundred persons in Croatia who obtained "The Certificate of Honour" and "The Medal of the Righteous" from Yad Vashem in Jerusalem till now. Their names can be seen in "The Honour Wall in the Garden of the Righteous" in Jerusalem.

We would like to mention only a few of these Croatian Righteous

Rev. Dragutin Jesih, from Scitarjevo near Zagreb, killed during the WW2. The Jews he saved were sent to him by Croatian Archbishop Alojzije Stepinac. Also the local Catholic peasants helped to save their lives.

Why is the Arch Bishop Stepinac nominated for inclusion on the Wall of the Righteous in Israel by Jewish people, for saving Jews.

Why is Fr. Dragutin Jesih, actually on the Wall of the Righteous for saving Jews. These Jews were sent to Fr. Jesih by Arch Bishop Stepinac.

These Catholic Clerics have official recognitions by Jewish leaders, and are even on the Wall of the Righteous Israel, and you accuse them of assisting to kill Jews.

You should be ashamed of yourself, and I refuse to tolerate your prejudiced unhistorical garbage anymore.

Your history is a prejudiced bigoted joke DavidJ.

Your above cited post proves my point precisely! Your post is totally devoid of any Holy Bible text. Which identifies you as Roman Catholic.

As a Bible believing Christian, and part of Jesus' Holy catholic I stand soley on the Inspired Infallible Word of God - The Holy Bible.

DavidJ

Well there are many who feel strongly that he should not be included such as this excerpt from the 'Serb Synod's 1992 Denial of the Camps'

"...As Father Trbuhovic states, the statement "makes no other mention of crimes" except for a condemnation of all violence on all sides. Yet this is the exact kind of condemnation of violence on all sides that Pope Pius XII and Bishop Stepinac made in WW2.

"There are many, myself included, who believe such statements, during times of genocide, are not only inadequate, but in fact are part of a denial that the genocide has occurred and thus serve to allow it to continue. Pope Pius XII and Cardinal Stepinac should have gone beyond general condemnations of all violence and should have openly and specifically condemned the persecution of Jews, Serbs and others, and should have openly named the names of the concentration camps, including Jasenovac, and called them an abomination. Bishop Stepinac should have openly called for the immediate closing of Jasenovac and the arrest and trial of those responsible for it.

Rather than denying that "such camps" exist, the Serb Bishops in 1992 should have named the names of Omarska, Keraterm, Brcko-Luka, Susica, Trnoplje, Foca Partizan Hall, detailed what they knew was happening there, made any corrections they wished to the numbers of women raped, and then called the camps and the acts taking place in those camps allegedly on behalf of "self determination of Serbs" an abomination.

Had they done so, not only would the honor and courage of the Serbian Church have been affirmed, and the creation of future bitterness and conflict been avoided, at least in part. Those Serbs who do not understand why some of use read the 1992 Serb Bishops' statements with extreme disappointment, need only to think of how they feel about the similar statements of Stepinac condemning all violence but refusing to condemn specific, genocidal acts of violence by those in this own flock, and refusing to make clear to his own flock the difference between "fighting for self-determination" which the Ustashe said was their goal, and persecuting those of other religions, which is what they were in fact doing."

DavidJ

Mariner...you really should read the bible...opps your rc not permitted to read it....

1) Peter's name means stone....the Rock Jesus was talking about was Himself....and His Church isn't a building its a person...each one of us who have infilling of the Holy Ghost.

2) the term Christ Killer was coined by the RCC at the time of Augustine and has been used throughout history by the RCC in all its pogroms against the Jews...

3) What a politician says in public and what they actually feel are often two different animals. Israel is a tiny nation it needs goodwill..and saying Pious was a liar would only get the RC's upset so protocol says play the game even when you know its fixed.

4) Whore is a metaphor for the RCC institution...it is described perfectly..

Rev 17:1 ¶ And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:


Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.


Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.


Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:


Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Rev 17:3 represents the Pope
Rev 17:4 represents the Cardinals and Bishops...thates what they wear
Rev 17:5 represents Rome...the city of Harlots and idol worship.
Rev 17:6 all the martys executed by Rome...Peter,Paul,Knox etc

Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.


Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Rev 17:9 is the seven hills of Rome on which the Vatican sits

Rev 17:10 is the kingdoms that have been and the one that is rising now the EU from which the anti-christ will come and will be raised to power by the Vatican.

The bad news for the Vatican is that once he declares himself god he will destroy RCC and set up shop in the Jewish Temple as their Messiah whom they will worship until he places an idol of himself in the Holy of Holies at which time the Jewish Nation will realize their mistake.

Now Mariner you don't believe that well it doesn't really matter to me one way or the other it is going to happen whether you believe it or not.

The Pope can't save you...he can't even save himself
The Bishops and priests can't save you...see above re pope.

You have to repent,and be baptised in Jesus Name for remission of sins and recieve the infilling of the Holy GHost to be saved.
I wouldn't bank on Purgatory...no such place.