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Hi all fellow brothers and sisters.

I'd like to start by mentioning that english is not my native language, so excuse me if throughout this thread i make some grammar mistakes.


I have some questions to all of you that have a valid opinion in the matter... I'll leave my own perpective in the matter. Feel free to come forward and correct me if you disagree or have something to add. I'm always ready to listen and learn more.

My first question...

What makes you think that Jesus being crucified saved mankind from their sins?

It wasn't the blood he left in the cross that saved us but his nobel attitude and gesture, by forgiving and praying for us, even in his last moments. What saved us was is all biography, that teached us how to be loving, caring, obedient, forgiving, disciplined, understanding, humble, confident.... etc etc

Second question....  

Is it right to call Emmanuel Jesus (minding his name might've been slightly different in other times and languages) christ?

In my humble opinion, I'll answer the latter question by saying I believe Jesus was the greatest man alive. He was undoubtely the Messiah, the Saviour and our greatest teacher but I can't understand why people keep calling him christ. It's true He was crucified, but to "nickname" the greatest man ever with such pityful name bothers me. Jesus never called himself "Christ" therefore Christianity came after him.

Third and last question....

Why was Jesus the primogenit, if we all know there were other man before him?

I know that answer but will leave you to wonder


May the Lord be with you all

Hello, Primogenit:

To answer your questions:
1. It's not a matter of what we think. John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Clearly, whatever we think or believe does not change what God has done. However, John's statement begs the question, in what way did God give His only begotten Son?

Paul answers in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, informing us as to the how and the why: "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures." The crucifixion was the "how He was given," and the atoning of sins is the "why." Consequently, it was the blood that saved us, the blood of God. Yes, He did do a noble gesture by forgiving and praying for us in the last minutes of His death. But those things, of themselves, did not save us. If they did, there would have been no need for Christ to die. Those things you mentioned were only fruits of the character of God, the character of righteousness that allowed the blood sacrifice to be the antidote for our fatal wound of sin.

2. Paul's quote above answers this question. Christ is not a name. It is a title. In Greek, Christ means messiah. We can call Him Christ or we can call Him Messiah, both mean about the same thing (though I'm learning that Messiah has so many more layers of meaning than the word Christ has). So, it is completely correct to call Yeshua the Christ. Otherwise, we are still waiting for the messiah. After all, Paul, himself, calls Yeshua "Christ." And to answer the second part of your question, Yeshua was not called Christ because of Christians, but Christians were called Christians because, in the Greek, we were like little Christs. Yeshua is still the greatest man alive; however, He is more than just a great man: He is God made flesh.

3. You are right that there were men before Christ. The Bible teaches that Adam was the first man. Christ was not the first man. But Christ was the first man to be raised from the dead in righteousness. He is the first fruits, the first crop of the fig tree that is harvested in the Spring. We are the second harvest of the fig tree that comes in Fall. Even though men were raised from the dead before Yeshua was, none of those was raised because of righteousness; consequently, they returned to the grave. Christ dwells in us when we accept Him as our sacrifice, and His righteousness becomes our covering. We are raised from the dead to everlasting life because of His righteousness.

Oh. Tu hablas espanol? Ou tu parles francais?




Mashiach is Christosis Christ; in Hebrew, Greek, and English, respectively.




You don't need to leave anyone to wonder. They know Genesis 1-3 and John 1-10 as well as they Romans 1-12 (even though some might ignore it; and some are ignoring me as I type this).

Thank you revelation and GoyofY'shua.... your feedback is very welcome and appreciated. I believe all you have stated is very accurate. Once again, thank you, for your clarification and share of knowledge.

Although not Jew, I have respect for it's people and culture.

Falo Portugues caro GoyofY'shua.

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

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Thanks for clarifying revelation

"Saviour"

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Savior

Oh. I'm also (as far as I know) not Jewish; though my dad's side may have been up to his dad or even my dad (from whom I'm estranged and can't find out if I'm Jewish).

What makes you think that Jesus being crucified saved mankind from their sins?

Isaiah said in Chapter 53 “And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.” And again he said “When You make His soul an offering for sin,” and “Because He poured out His soul unto death” and again “And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.”

In Deuteronomy Chapter 32, Moses writes “"Rejoice, O Gentiles, [with] His people;* For He will avenge the blood of His servants, And render vengeance to His adversaries; He will provide atonement for His land [and] His people."

Why did He did he do this? One reason is very simple….to shut our mouths, so we can have nothing to say. We (Jews and Gentiles) are very sassy back talkers like it says in Eze 16 “"that you may remember and be ashamed, and never open your mouth anymore because of your shame, when I provide you an atonement for all you have done," says the Lord GOD.'"
and God maintains his composure by being good to us, he practices what he preaches in Proverbs 25. “If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink: For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.”

You either trust God through His Anointed and Chosen One, or you don’t. God Himself commanded that we listen to His Anointed One.  “I will raise up for them a Prophet like you (Moses) from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 'And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him. Jesus is to us as the Presence, or Angel of God is to the congregation of Israel. Jesus is to Israel as Moses was to Israel.

In the New Covenant God says, “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.” Are we to tell God He did not say this?

Adam was the First man created, Jesus is first in preference and the first fruit of a new creation. First can be the first in a series, or can not be divided equally like 1,3,5, 7, 11,13, 17, 19 ect. Jesus is unique, like God is unique.



Shalom,
Christopher

revelation wrote:

"He is the first fruits, the first crop of the fig tree that is harvested in the Spring."

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I like the way you put it.

“I will raise up for them a Prophet like you (Moses) from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. "

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chrikaren allow me to tell you what God Meant With Those Words... "a Prophet like you (Moses)"  

I am the Annoited one.


"Those who see shall speak My Words and others shall follow."

God's Word written By Me. Keep in your books.