There may be mistakes (as in all denominations)
Mistakes? That is a breathtaking understatement..........
Look at these 'mistakes'.....
"You shall have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:3)
The Pope claims to be God.....
Pope Nicholas I declared: “the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who, being God, cannot be judged by man.”
(Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can. 7, Satis evidentur, Decret Gratian Primer Para.)
Franciscan Lawyer claims the Pope is God....
“The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man …. he is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power.” (Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, ‘Papa II’, pp.25-29)
Even Roman Catholic Priests become gods.....
“Innocent III has written: [b]“Indeed, it is not too much to say that in view of the sublimity of their offices the priests are so many gods.”(The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori p, 36)
The Pope is Jesus Christ......
“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh.”
(Catholic National July 1895)
Roman Catholic Law says The Pope is NOT A MERE MAN - BUT OF A VERY GOD!....
Roman Catholic Canon Law stipulates through Pope Innocent III that the Roman pontiff is.....“
.....the vicegerent upon earth,
not a mere man, but of a very God;” and in a gloss on the passage it is explained that this is because he is the vicegerent of Christ, who is
“very God and very man.” (Decretales Domini Gregorii translatione Episcoporum, (on the transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Devretales, col. 205)
DavidJ
The Bible specifically names several offices in the church and describes the work and qualifications of those who hold that office.The Bible contains several passages where the office of Pope ought to be mentioned, if it existed. Ephesians 4:11,12 and 1 Corinthians 12:28 list various officers and workers in the church, but the office of Pope is not mentioned. Why not?
it is mentioned! your just trying to say its not because the bible doesnt speak your language. where the apostle paul says," if anyone preach to you any gospel other than the one we preach, let him be anethema! " now i claim that this reveals that paul belongs to a group or organization that is diseminating the word of god. futher paul and the others are following christs wishes to the letter. christ told the rock peter " FEED MY LAMBS" AND "FEED MY SHEEP". he didnt say to establish himself and the church and rule the world.
Paul wrote several letters to and from Rome, naming many people there (Romans 16; Colossians 4:7-14; 2 Timothy 4:9-22; Philemon 23,24). If Peter was Pope in Rome, surely Paul would have mentioned him. But Paul mentions neither Peter nor anyone else as being Pope
the instructions given to the other apostles might not be the same as those given to peter. that why he went to rome, to fill the prophecy that rome become the footstool of his church.
Who can imagine someone today writing official letters to or from the church in Rome, listing the officers of the Roman Catholic Church, giving all this information about the work and qualifications of lesser officers, but never mentioning the Pope? If the office of Pope was established by Jesus, why does the New Testament completely fail to mention it?
im sure it happen every day that mail go in and out of the vatican and the pope doesnt know.
a picture is worth a thousand words they say. stand back and take a good look. you dont need any scripture to show you texts when you have binding light.
DavidJ
The Bible Says Jesus Is the Chief Shepherd.
"The Vatican Council defines as an article of faith that ... Christ 'conferred upon Peter alone the jurisdiction of Chief Pastor [shepherd] and Ruler over all the flock'" (Question Box, p. 147).
But the Bible repeatedly says Jesus is the Chief Shepherd.
John 10:11,14 - Jesus is the Good Shepherd. We should not follow strangers (v1,5,8-13; cf. Ezekiel. 34:23; 37:24; Psalm. 23).
1 Peter 5:4 - Peter himself spoke of the Prince Shepherd (the footnote in the Catholic Bible says, "the Greek reads, 'the chief Shepherd'"). This Shepherd will come to reward the faithful, clearly referring to Jesus' second coming (2 Timothy 4:8; Relevation 2:10; 22:12; Matthew 25:31-46)
Hebrews 13:20 - Jesus is the Great Shepherd.
The Catholic Bible says Jesus is the Chief or Great Shepherd, but the Catholic council declared, as an article of faith, that this position belongs to "Peter alone"!
In John 21:15-17, Jesus told Peter to feed His sheep.
Some say this proves Peter was the Chief Shepherd (Question Box, pp. 147,148; Catechism, p. 56).
But all the apostles were told to feed the sheep in the sense of teaching them (Matt. 28:18-20; Mark 16:15,16) and caring for them (2 Corinthians 11:28). Bishops were also told to feed the flock (1 Peter 5:1-3; Acts 20:28). Are all these other people Popes too?
Jesus' statement was not intended to exalt Peter to authority over the other apostles, but simply to restore him to the apostleship from which he had fallen. Peter had denied Jesus three times (John 18:15-18,25-27). So Jesus had him confess his love three times, and then restored him to the responsibility that all the apostles would share.
There is no passage, here or elsewhere, which calls Peter the Chief Shepherd or which states He has authority over the other apostles.
The basic error of the doctrine of Papal authority is that it exalts man to the place of God. God said that His Divine Son is head, foundation, and chief shepherd for the church. No mere man is ever given such positions. To exalt a man to these positions is blasphemous.[b][color=red]
DavidJ
[size=large] it not about two separate gods. it about one lord jesus and his kingdom. his vicar on earth is peter and the first office of his church.
there is night (when the lord is away) and then there is morning. (the lord is with us). in the morning, christ is the rock and the head of his church, but in the night when he is away, he shines (the power of the s-n) his light so that the moon may refect his light down on the earth.
Tertullian, The Demurrer Against the Heretics 23, 10 (c 200 AD) “Moreover, if Peter was reproached [by Paul] because, after having lived with the gentiles, he later separated himself from their company out of respect for persons, the fault certainly was one of procedure and not of doctrine.”
Paul didn't rebuke Peter on a matter of doctrine ( Which is an area of Infallibility), he rebuked Peter on a matter of bad example, after the teaching had been made. But Peters example is not binding as Infallible on members of the Church.
God revealed to him alone the vision of a scoll rolled out from heaven, about unclean animals. This was regarding the Gentiles inclusion.
Just as God revealed to Peter alone who Jesus was.
Peter taught the Infallible truth, however it doesn't mean that he wouldn't hack your ear off with a sword. Peter was still a sinner, but God had guaranteed that he would not teach error.
" What you bind on earth, shall be bound in Heaven ". Heaven can't ratify error, so it means that what Peter binds on earth is always Infallible with direct guidance of God.
infallible means that god will not allow the pope, with all of his 'errors', to undermine the work of his church. come on!? what do you know about truth?? if jesus give infalliblity to the office of the pope, then we must ask what this means and not question the lord. it can mean only one thing that i can see..... it means that the pope is infallible ONLY WHEN HE SPEAKS IN AN OFFICIAL CAPACITY REGARDING PREACHED DOCTRINES ON FAITH AND MORALITY. other than this, he is quite fallible.
if the 'office' of the pope decides that the sky is green and the grass is brown, then we better get started on changing the names on our color wheels. of course, he will never do it.
if the 'office' of the pope decides that the sky is green and the grass is brown, then we better get started on changing the names on our color wheels. of course, he will never do it.
If your going to use this kind of statement to justify unjustifiable infallibility then at least be consistant. The papists had no problem declaring the earth was flat and that Galileo was wrong that it was an orb - Galileo was summoned to Rome in 1615, by Pope Paul V, to appear before the Inquisition - the Pope, and the Holy Office were asking a man to disbelieve the evidence of his own senses and to believe what he knew in his heart to be wrong. Faced with a choice between life as a hypocrite and torture (followed, perhaps, by death), most of us, too, would acquiesce. It was 26 February 1616. Galileo promised to obey; even Pope John Paul II expressed regret for how the Galileo affair was handled.
No, the papal office in its inflalibility will not declare the sky is green - but even my fallibilty will not declare that either - but the 'infallibility' of the papal office did not stop him from declaring the earth is flat and subjecting Gallileo to an Inquisition, forcing him to recant the truth and condemning him for believing the earth was an orb.
DavidJ
......your just trying to say its not because the bible doesnt speak your language.
Well, on the issue of feed my lambs, let Augustine speak who did not speak my language either, Concerning this verse Augustine wrote in 416 A. D. "Let it be the office of love to feed the Lord’s flock.... For what else means the words, ‘Lovest thou me? Feed my sheep,’ than if it were said, If thou lovest me, think not of feeding thyself, but feed my sheep as mine, and not as thine own; seek my glory in them, and not thine own; my dominion, and not thine; my gain and not thine...."
Jesus' three-fold command to feed His lambs and to feed his sheep was given to Peter individually,
not to bestow papal authority upon him but because Peter, unlike the other apostles, had just committed a three-fold denial of Jesus. Jesus was restoring Peter from his three-fold denial not appointing with any special authority!
where the apostle paul says," if anyone preach to you any gospel other than the one we preach, let him be anethema! "
and that includes the anethema of the papist catichism.
now i claim that this reveals that paul belongs to a group or organization that is diseminating the word of god.
Bible blieving born of the Spirit Christian belong to that 'group' because the Bible teaches that all true Christians are Apostles of Christ, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation..." (Mark 16:16 RSV)
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it is known that peter had leadership qualities before he even met christ..... he was leader of the fisherman.
YOUR AUTHORITY FOR THIS CLAIM - BCV PLEASE !
DavidJ
jesus built his church on solid, solid rock! himself, solid....peter, solid,..... capitol of the known world rome, solid.
Are you really being serious here, David? The capitol of the known world - Rome - is the solid rock of Jesus?
Rome is biblically depicted as the seat of Satan. If you would care to discuss this fact we can open another thread and maybe entitle it "Rome - The Seat of Satan". There is a lot of historical and biblical evidence to support this claim.
DavidJ