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And you're an authority on Hebrew? If Peter were the Rock, he would've been the Messiah. Also, this contuation of the RCC v. Protestant fight is one of the reasons that we ought to have a seperate forum for Roman Catholicism. It could be:

JFJ Forums/Beliefs/Theology/Roman Catholicism or JFJ Forums/Beliefs/Roman Catholicism

And IF the Pope is Peters successor the Pope would be the 'Messiah' THE COUNTERFEIT MESSIAH!

Thank you Goy - in a few simple words you have revealed the Satanic plot! THE COUNTEREIT MESSIAH!

DavidJ

"Messianic" Jew of Roman descent and origin leading people and four kingdoms in a one-world, Hilary-run (?; likely) government makes sense in fulfilling a lot of the prophecies. So, warning to Novak, Morris, and others: Please find a good Protestant/Messianic Jewish congregation.

Good post Goy...couldn't have said it better:

This seems to be a contradiction to a recent link you made in your post on http://forums.jewsforjesus.org/showthrea...7#pid17437 which you made yersterday 1st January 2008.

When following through on your links I came cross this, "Rome was not finished when it was abandoned by Constantine. It was no longer an empire in the usual sense of the word, but instead it became a religious centre with enormous political power, so that many of the kings of Europe could do nothing without the consent of the Pope. It suffered a setback during the Reformation, but now it has re-emerged as the European Union, a new political empire based on the Treaty of Rome."  Within the context of the article your link refers to The Roman Catholic Church is not a Christian Church but 'Bablyon' and therefore does not have the same 'godhead'.

Maybe you would care to clarify which you believe in, having regard to this contradiction and particularly since the link you provide (Refering to the Roman Church)  quotes Jeremiah 51:6 ... "Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity...."

DavidJ

menorot;
  not all denominations believe in the trinity...which brings up an interesting question...if RCC doesn't pray to the same Godhead as Protestant trinitarians..then how do the differentiate one from the other...RC's say God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy GHost and as far as I know Protestant Trintitarians say the same...
  Maybe they could clarify this for us

Apostolic Oneness Pentecostals believe in One God...JESUS  

what is unjustifiable infallibility?   only god is infallible an so the term is oxymoronical? how do u say that god is unjustified?


  The papists had no problem declaring the earth was flat and that Galileo was wrong that it was an orb  - Galileo was summoned to Rome in 1615, by Pope Paul V, to appear before the Inquisition - the Pope, and the Holy Office were asking a man to disbelieve the evidence of his own senses and to believe what he knew in his heart to be wrong. Faced with a choice between life as a hypocrite and torture (followed, perhaps, by death), most of us, too, would acquiesce. It was 26 February 1616. Galileo promised to obey;  even Pope John Paul II expressed regret for how the Galileo affair was handled.

which article have u read that uses that term 'papist'? ive never seen anyone use it before? what exacxtly does it mean?  one who believes in the pope? that is a catholic who believes in papal authority, not a papist. dont insult me please. i believe with jesus and not the pope. question: if the gates of hell cannot prevail over the church, then how the hell is any mistake by the pope going to spoil it?

No, the papal office in its inflalibility will not declare the sky is green - but even my fallibilty will not declare that either -  but the  'infallibility' of the papal office did not stop him from declaring the earth is flat and subjecting Gallileo to an Inquisition, forcing him to recant the truth and condemning him for believing the earth was an orb.
DavidJ

lol, you cant even declare ur own common sense! lol!  you been told a hundred times that the infallible part of the church kicks in only when the pope invokes the holy spirit from the seat of 'ex cathedra'. (so actually, it is god speaking thru the pope and that is where the infallible part comes in. this is where trinity expands.)

the pope never spoke from this seat concerning science issues. this seat reserved for issues of faith and morals, and not all of these issues are doctrine.
in this seat, the pope cannot speak anything which the lord will not permit. it would be like jesus operating independently of the lord and his spirit.


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We are agreed; ONLY GOD!


  Copied and pasted from WordNet ® 2.0 [wn]:
papist
       adj : of or relating to or supporting Romanism; "the Roman
             Catholic Church" [syn: {Roman}, {r.c.}, {Romanist}, {romish},
              {Roman Catholic}, {popish}, {papistic}, {papistical}]
       n : a Roman Catholic who is a strong advocate of the papacy


In my expressing my beliefs concerning the Papist system is not an insult directed at you or anyone else and it is regrettable to me that you receive it as a personal insult.  I do not take it as a personal insult when the Roman Catholic authorities tell me and other born again Christians we are heretics and have not recieved full salvation. I do not belive the Pope has recieved full salvation - he is a man like me - why should you be insulted that I say this of the pope but condone him saying this of me?


Post length restricts me from listing the many  'ex cathedral so called infallibilities of the Popes which were subsequently proven to be fallible and in grave scriptural error. Would you like to open a separate thread maybe entitled, "Ex Cathedra Errors of Doctrine" so that we can details and discuss them?


  In 1431, Pope Eugene IV (1431-1447) declared Joan of Arc guilty of practicing witchcraft and condemned her to be burned at the stake. In 1919, however, Pope Benedict XV (1914-1922) canonized her as a saint. Which did "did the Lord permit"? The Pope who burned her to death or the one who made her a Saint?

DavidJ

the new testament. and im not calling it MY authority, u are.

im saying simply because the other apostles reported back to peter indicating this.

u want me to give u bcv? u aint worth the time and trouble to look it up.

u put up well over 400 words of anti catholic diatribe which u copied from another site and jan let u do it? none of the stuff u put up has bcv but u require?

i asked to show me articles were it used ? i didnt ask u for no dictionary definition?!!! you are inventing a papist religion in your mind because u hate jesus so much you are become unreasonable![/size]