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david could answer "both", meaning that he thinks that God is arbitrary and can change His mind. God can, but doesn't, change His mind. The Muslim god "Allah" (or is it?), however, is arbitrary and capricious.

u didnt answer my question? u make urself to appear sophisticate but i didnt see ur sophisticate in the response?

u gave me a definition for papist which again insults me. i didnt ask for engish lessons i want to see the literature that u are reading that says that catholics are papist!  didnt i use the word 'article'? that i wood like u to show me.

to the person who said that we are both christians:

this person DAVIDJ, doesnt have an opinion. be very careful to understand this. when u copy and paste catholic hate mongering to a message board, u are not expressing opinion...u are become an extension of the hate campaign. this is satans campaign and he love nothing better than for u to argue that every person has a right to their opinion.

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO INJURE OTHERS.  that he doing and he is not in any way being constructive. he want to appear sophisticate to make his stuff look good and he says stuff like ," i found this on the web while i was research...'.     i can find porno on the web! so what he finds hated to support his cause and u gonna think he got an opinion?

he sorry if i have attack?   that a lie! he happy if he think he impress u.  he continually attack the church. he doesnt want to wear the yoke. he sluggish and stubborn to and want to take u all with him, he wont be alone. like an old drunk who keeps offering u a drink.

Post length restricts me from listing the many  'ex cathedral so called infallibilities of the Popes which were subsequently proven to be fallible and in grave scriptural error. Would you like to open a separate thread maybe entitled, "Ex Cathedra Errors of Doctrine" so that we can details and discuss them?

  

THIS IS GOOD EXAMPLE HOW U TWIST AND LIE AND SUCK OTHERS UP INTO UR VACUUM!!! my sister has a vacuum cleaner named after u, the 'tornado'.

U TOOK THIS STATEMENT OUT OF CONTEXT AND KNOWING THAT I INTENDED TO CAUSE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE POPE'S SPEACH WAS FROM THE "POWER" SEAT! U POSTED IT UP LIKE THE SEAT WAS OF NO CONSEQUENCE! THEN GOYOSHUA TOOK IT WRONGLY, AND JUST AS U INTENDED, THE MESSAGE MUTATED, AND CAME UP WITH SOMETHING UNRElated.



all catholics know, but the sons of self appointed ministers will avoid knowing, that the pope is just a ordinary man like any ordinary man.

the sons of sam want everyone to think that catholics worship the pope and the derive the term 'papists' from this. THEY WANT TO BELIEVE THAT WE WORSHIP THE POPE! of course we dont and if someone tries to sell u this idea that we do, that someone thinks ur a nitwit or something. because they believe that u will believe that so many in number are worshiping one human man as pope like he was god.

the same were calling us marionists too! they have to create mary worshipers before they can call us marionists and they have to create pope worshipers before they can call us papists. THEY CANT BECAUSE WE KNOW WE WORSHIP!

as surely as christ sits at the right hand of the father in heaven, the pope is the right hand of christ when he sits in the power seat! this is the only time he is infallible.

1. I did answer your question, but obviously it was not the answer you expected; I regret I misunderstood your requirement. Points 2 and 3 below hopefully clarify matters.
2. I am not reading literature that says catholics are papist; further, I know of no such literature.
3. I do not claim 'catholics' are papists. I claim Roman Catholics are papists per my cited  dictionary definition . For example the Anglican Book of Common Prayer stipulates (for recitation by Anglican communicants), "We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church..."  but they are not papists.

The point being is YOU are saying it  but the Word of God contrdicts you. For a papist to make this kind unscriptural claim to support the case for  papal succession from Peter is futher proof that papal succession is false doctrine

I respectfully suggest an honest answer is that there is absolutely no BCV authority or any other evidence to support your claim that Peter had leadership qualities before he even met Christ or that  he was leader of the fisherman. For a papist to use yet another false claim to support papal succession from Peter is even further proof that papal succession from Peter is false doctrine.
Also, you appear to have overlooked two following questions I asked you David, would you care to address them please?

  In 1431, Pope Eugene IV (1431-1447) declared Joan of Arc guilty of practicing witchcraft and condemned her to be burned at the stake. In 1919, however, Pope Benedict XV (1914-1922) canonized her as a saint. Which did "did the Lord permit"? The Pope who burned her to death or the one who made her a Saint?

DavidJ

Well, so far it does not seem our Roman Catholics are exactly tumbling over each other to make a response.

How can anyone, let alone a Roman Catholic Pope, declare a person to be a witch; burn her to death for being a witch, then the same office of Pope elevate a condemned and executed (and incidentally, excommunicated) witch to sainthood? I thought exommunication resulted in eternal hell - if that is so it seems there may be at least this one Roman catholic saint  in hell - or if, as I would claim, excommunication from the papist church is a wonderful Godly blessing,  we may find this Roman Catholic 'witch' in Heaven.  

DavidJ

I wholeheartedly agree; no one should make personal insults or injure others. If and when this allegedly occurs in a post I would respectfully invite you to report such instances by utilizing the 'report' facilty on the posts in question for the Moderator to deal with.

The moderator has recently demonstrated an effective ability to deal with personal insult and offence.

DavidJ

Speaking personally, I know the pope is just an ordinary sinful man who, like all of us, has sinned and fallen short of God's standards read Romans 3:23 "For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard."

Nobody here has claimed that papist means pope worship. Maybe you would like to  open another thread to discuss pope worship.

Again no one has made these claims on this thread - again, maybe you would care to open a thread to discuss Mary Worship.

Well of course this is yet another false doctrine which goes even further to prove the heresy of papal succession from Peter. We know John's mother made a request of Jesus, "Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at Your right and the other at Your left in Your kingdom" (Matthew 20:21). We know, for example from the related symbolism of the last supper John, "the disciple whom Jesus loved," was reclined next to Him. We know it was John who was at the right side of Jesus because Peter motioned to John to ask Jesus which one would betray him. The Bible says, "Leaning back against Jesus, he asked Him, 'Lord who is it?'" (John 13:25). There is also indication that Peter was in the last seat, because it would have been this persons job to carry around the basin and water to wash the hands of the guests.

DavidJ

I do have proof and yes, I will open a separate thread on this specific topic.

That is news to me. Has Jans advised you she is defending me? The Word of God - The Bible - is my only defence and my only shield.

Very interesting points. Which other apostles declared Jesus was the Son of God prior to Him coming into Glory? BCV please!
Which apostles declared Jesus was the King of the Jews? BCV please!

DavidJ