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Cromwel thought that he was following the plain Bible teaching, yet he had 1000,000 Irish men women and children killed.

Catholics only have one Infallible Pope, protestantism and its break sects have 50,000 + Popes. And each disagrees with the other.

Infact there is Pope for every different private interpretation of Scripture and they are divided into countless thousands of denominations.
They are not as Scripture says " One Flock" and " One Shepherd ".

The Catholic Church is "One Flock" and "One Shepherd ", founded by Christ on Peter " Rock ".

Is that the papists justification for the torture and murder of the Inquisitions? Were the Papal Inquisitions following plain Bible teaching?

DavidJ

You don't even know what the Inquisition was.

What was your basis for that decision please?

DavidJ

Was Cromwell following the plain Bible teaching when slaughtered 1000,000 Irish. He was a " Bible alone " Christian.

Cromwells roundheads piked children and infants infront of their parents for sport.

They were genociding Irish Catholics by the hundreds of thousands.
Should I judge all " Bible alone " Christians, by what Cromwell did.

Undoubtedly he believed he was. But there again I am not a 'Bible alone' Christian and therefore unconditionally condemn what he did.


Inexcusable. but what has that got to do with Peter and the Papacy and my original question question to you?


Inexcusable. but what has it got to do with trying heretics by papal inquisition and my original question to you?

My original question to you has been circumvented and so I repeat it....




DavidJ

If Jesus had clearly given Peter supreme authority over all the apostles, then the other apostles would have known it, however, at the "Last Supper" a dispute arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest (Luke 22:24). They clearly did not interpret Jesus' words to mean that Peter was the "greatest" among them or else they would not have argued about it. Another good point we find in this passage is Jesus' response. He did not resolve their dispute by reminding them that Peter was the supreme apostle, rather, He encouraged them all to be servants.  The Catholic Church never-the-less construe Peter's keys to mean that he alone was the head of the Church.

However, another problem with the papist argument is this: Jesus gave not only Peter the power to bind and loose, He gave this power to all His disciples. Look carefully two chapters later. Jesus said the same thing, “I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven” (Matthew 18:18). Who was Jesus speaking to when He made this statement? Matthew 18:1 reveals He was speaking to all His disciples: At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”  From this question Jesus gave a lengthy explanation of the role of leaders and there He repeated what He said to Peter earlier that they can bind and loose, thus this proves that all the disciples had the same power that was given to Peter.

DavidJ

Peter did not make a 'human' confession of faith. In Matthew 16:17 Jesus clearly declares that Peter received Holy Spirit Revelation (not a confession of faith) when Jesus says, "for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven."

It was revelation not confession!

DavidJ

Thats right, God spoke Infallibly, through Peter. Peter made a Divine statement, it wasn't his human opinion.

Thats the central role of what the Pope does, on matters of Faith.

The Chair of Peter is a gift of Jesus Christ who established it.

Which is right? That Peter made a confession of faith, or received divine revelation? Both cannot be right! Jesus said Peter received divine relation the He, Jesus, was the Son of the Living God - nothing more and nothing less. You say no, Peter made a confession of faith. Your contradicting yourself.


Everthing God speaks is infallible and everyone who who speaks what God has infallibly revealed to them makes a divine statement - this is not something unique to Peter -everything God speaks can be nothing but inflaiibe to whosoever He speaks to - it also applies to any and all Born of the Spirit Bible believers.


Not according to Jesus, not according to Peter, not according to anything that is in the Bible. In fact there is no Pope in the Holy Bible.


There is no such thing as the Chair of Peter in the Word of God and Jesus did not give a Chair to Peter or anyone else.
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In any event none of what you have said addresses my claim in my previous post , "....this proves that all the disciples had the same power that was given to Peter."

DavidJ