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Paul  told the Christians in Rome to submit to the lawful government unless they compel you to do something contrary to Scripture. Governments were instituted by God for the welfare of man and EVERY person is under the authority of the government in which they live—just like every driver must obey the traffic laws in his country or he will soon end up dead. . . .There are no exceptions. No one is ABOVE the government except Jesus Christ the King of kings: "Let EVERY soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves DAMNATION. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil......" (Romans 16:1-2).

The Pope at Rome refuses to submit to the lawful Italian government. Vatican City State is a State with a State

With that truth firmly in mind, let us examine what were the keys that Jesus gave to  Peter.  Peter  used them on the Day of Pentecost to open the kingdom of God—the true church—to the Jews. He preached the first Christian sermon and urged the Jews to repent and believe in the Risen Christ: "Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning every one of you from his iniquities" (Acts 3:26).

A while later Peter used these same keys to open the kingdom of God to the Gentiles when he preached the first sermon to them in the house of an Italian soldier named Cornelius: "Then Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in EVERY nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted of him" (Acts 10:34-35).

After that task was accomplished, Peter had no further need of the keys and he fades from history to be replaced - not by a pope - but by the Apostle Paul. Nobody knows for sure where Peter is buried . . . but God knows . . . and he will be raised on the Last Day.

Peter returned the keys to their rightful owner because around 90 A.D., Jesus said: "The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one shall shut, who shuts and no one opens." (Revelation  3:7). Moses said this 3500 years ago: "For their rock is not as our Rock" (Deuteronomy . 32:31).

DavidJ

...the sad truth is that some people are going to believe this crapola.

"Let EVERY soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves DAMNATION. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil......" (Romans 16:1-2).

That you contradicted yourself and have now moved the goalposts; your manipulating and making it up as you go along.

"All the apostles are equals, That has been the Biblical Christian stance all along - only you are trying to manipulate context to fit it into papist heresy.

Agree with us? Your manipulating again - no one has 'agreed' with you that Isaiah 22:22 is a prophesy of Jesus handing His keys to anyone. Notwhere, anywhere does the prophet make any such prophesy.  Revelation 3:7 confirms Isaiah 22:22 that Jesus alone holds the key of David[/b and did not hand them to Peter or anyone else. [b]"The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one shall shut, who shuts and no one opens." This is the clearest statement by Jesus Himself that He, not Peter, holds the Key of David which blows your heretical interpretation of Isaiah 22;22 out of the water.

Perfect answer....that is game set and match as far as Peter and Isahiah 22:22

There's a problem with this argument. In Isaiah 22 Eliakim is master of the palace--the king isn't. Eliakim possesses the key of the kingdom not as its owner, but as one deputed to oversee the king's affairs. If we apply this to Christ, then we must conclude he's not the true messianic king, merely his prime minister, the Messiah's chief representative!

Although Jesus is called the "holder of the key of David" in Revelation 3:7, he doesn't hold it as Eliakim did. As the son of David, Jesus is the heir to the throne of his ancestor (Luke 1:32-33). He really is the king, not the master of the king's palace, as was Eliakim. As king, Jesus is free to bestow the keys of his kingdom on whomever he wishes--without losing the authority those keys represent.

It's the Catholic position that this is precisely what Jesus does in Matthew 16:18-19

Now you get around to answering my question. Twice I asked for details regarding the statement that Isaiah 22:22 was about Jesus and twice my request was ignored. Only when I provided an interpretation of Isaiah 22:22 being about Jesus, did you bother to answer the question.



Actually, DavidJ has provided an imperfect answer. He was wise to warn you regarding triumphalism. I'm very glad that DavidJ introduced Revelation 3:7 as it strengthens the Catholic point. I should have introduced this earlier and was remiss in not doing so. Forgive me.



The above quote is from another Catholic apologist who explains Rev 3:7 better than I.

Yes, Rev 3:7 confirms Isaiah 22:22 that Jesus alone holds the key of David. Jesus as a descendant of David is the rightful owner and heir of the key. Jesus holds the key as King.

No, Rev 3:7 does NOT confirm that Jesus did not hand them to Peter or anyone else. Peter was given the key as Eliakim, as confirmed in Mat 16:18-19.

Remember, the Bible is inerrant and does not contradict itself.

God bless...

The Bishop of Rome and the bishops of the other 22 Catholic churches are all equals as are the bishops of all the Orthodox Churches.

All the apostles are equals,.

Now you get around to answering my question. Twice I asked for details regarding the statement that Isaiah 22:22 was about Jesus and twice my request was ignored.

...."The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one shall shut, who shuts and no one opens." This is the clearest statement by Jesus Himself that He, not Peter, holds the Key of David which blows your heretical interpretation of Isaiah 22;22 out of the water.

I'm very glad that DavidJ introduced Revelation 3:7 as it strengthens the Catholic point.

I should have introduced this earlier and was remiss in not doing so.

Catholic Answers There's a problem with this argument. In Isaiah 22 Eliakim is master of the palace--the king isn't. Eliakim possesses the key of the kingdom not as its owner, but as one deputed to oversee the king's affairs. If we apply this to Christ, then we must conclude he's not the true messianic king, merely his prime minister, the Messiah's chief representative!

As king, Jesus is free to bestow the keys of his kingdom on whomever he wishes

It's the Catholic position that this is precisely what Jesus does in Matthew 16:18-19

Yes, Rev 3:7 confirms Isaiah 22:22 that Jesus alone holds the key of David.

No, Rev 3:7 does NOT confirm that Jesus did not hand them to Peter or anyone else.

Peter was given the key as Eliakim, as confirmed in Mat 16:18-19.

Remember, the Bible is inerrant and does not contradict itself.