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As we know Religion is a Spiritual culture created by mankind to praise and learn about the Lord. I truely believe that it has a good purpose and it is essential on creating and teaching those after us. It should be, like any manking "invention" reviewed, criticized and developed through common sense and experience.

I truly admire my fellow Jeovah witness for their loyalty and devotion but there are things some don't seem to understand. We must understand that religion, like politicians, governments, science or sports, should learn from their "roots".

Astrophisics came from 2 sciences, which means both Astrology and Phisics will benefit from the outcome. The same should happen with World Soccer that still refuses to bring modern technology devices to help adjusting truth and fairness to the game. It has the example of other sports such as ice hockey or american football whereby these devices have proven to be succesful and of great use.
These were just 2 examples, of many, but my point is that religion should also follow the same pattern and develop through it's doctrines.
There is a need of urge for this to happen and for it's leaders to take religion to the right path.
It shouldn't matter where each one's spiritual culture comes from, as long people are aware that it leads us to our ultimate destiny.

I've been told by Jeovah's witness Church that mankind shouldn't and have no right to give his own blood to save someone else's life. In the other hand, God told us taught us through Jesus, that there isn't anything more nobel than die for another. God also taught us through Science how to save a human being's life, so I must disagree there.

Now Catholic Church, say there are against the Condon use and I have no reason to doubt that is the right thing to not do in a God's World. In a man's world, full of sin, it is fortunately essential to save lifes. It was God's idea to create the Condon. Now go figure.

Primogenit:  Not to be Rude but Astrophysics came from ASTRONOMY  not Astrology,  Astrology is not a Science. A condom is used in a faithfull marriage as a birth control device not a health device. The Catholic Church like any other Christian Church is against Sex outside of marriage. So the health issue is outside of the Church ie you should not be having Sex except with your Husband or wife, and obviously each should be healthy and faithful therefore you do not need a Condom for health reasons.  

Well, what if the husband or wife was born with AIDS or an STD (thanks to their parents), was raped, has a non-virgin or STD-carrying spouse? Have you not read Hosea 6:6 and Romans 14?

Thank you Drew for your reply. I believe I made a mistake, its definately ASTRONOMY and not astroly but i believe u get tha point.

To answer what you stated about the condom I quote my own words...

I have no reason to doubt that is the right thing to not do in a God's World. In a man's world, full of sin, it is fortunately essential to save lifes. It was God's idea to create the Condon.

Thanks for the back up GoyOfY'shua. You sure know your readings.

GoyOHY'Shua;  Have you not read a dictionary?? The use of Should here is a statement of Probability. I will make my point more clearer,I believe married couples should use Condoms for Birth Control reasons, I also believe that in a faithful marriage there is VERY little reasons to use Condoms for HEALTH reasons. You are very qiuck to point out exceptions that while  possible are also very rare, but if they do occurr then a couple would be foolish not to use a condom.  Do you make the same emotional arqument about "the health of the Mother" in Abortions. Further Primogenit's point in my opinion was wrong, that the solution to a World full of sin is not to enable it my using Condoms but rather to live a better life, a Christian life.

Hi Goy

i agree the health issue dousnt just apply to the world outside of the church
but it apply's within the church as well
i am fortunate to know a Christian Pastor in Africa, who's Wife has Aids (contracted before conversion,and long before marriage)
now for them it would idiotic not to use protection as a Christian Couple
but if they wanted to have children the health issue applies not just to them, but to the children as well, they both have to take measures to protect each other and future children from the disease.
obviously direct contact without protection would put him at risk, so the option that remains is I.V.F. , But the problem of passing the disease to the children remains that is where the miracle of science comes in, in the sense that there are drugs on the market now that can prevent the disease(or atleast minise the risk) from passing to the child during pregnancy and there are drugs that can slow it down, thus extending a persons life expectancy
( science in itself can benefit mankind but there are limits, God gave us intelligence, we have to use it the right way)

Also my former partner had Aids ( she died in agony a number of years ago before the drugs we have now were developed )

also quoting Hosea 6.6 " i desire Mercy not sacrifice

in my opinion it would heartless and selfish to deny an aids sufferer the chance ( even in the church)  to have a healthy ( aids, STD) free child/ren
and arrogant to pass judgement (not that anyone has) on a christian sufferer for using what-ever ethical means are available in the pursuit of raising a family  

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