C.H. Spurgeon on Christmas and Roman Catholicism
First, because
we do not believe in the mass at all, but abhor it, whether it be sung in Latin or in English. Secondly, because
we find no Scriptural warrant whatever for observing any day as the birthday of the Savior; and consequently, its observance is a superstition...
The pagan origin and pagan traditions of "the mass of Christ" (Saturnalia repackaged) are explored and expounded within
THE PLAIN TRUTH ABOUT CHRISTMAS
This is a short excerpt:
The Encyclopedia Americana, 1944 edition, says: "Christmas .... It was, according to many authorities, not celebrated in the first centuries of the Christian church, as the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons rather than their birth ...." (The "Communion," which is instituted by New Testament Bible authority, is a memorial of the death of Christ.) "... A feast was established in memory of this event [Christ's birth] in the fourth century. In the fifth century the Western Church ordered it to be celebrated forever on the day of the
old Roman feast of the birth of Sol, as no certain knowledge of the day of Christ's birth existed."
God isn't impressed with all the "good works" and pagan holidays some who are religiously proud and stubborn insist on doing and keeping, contrary to His commands, making up every excuse under the sun to do their own thing (self-willed) rather than submit Father knows best and fulfill His Will. God rejects such "good works" and pagan holidays - such religious sacrifices - because they're done in REBELLION by workers of iniquity.
1 Samuel 15
22 “Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices ["good works"],
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams. 23 For
rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
He also has rejected you...
People all caught up in the lying spirit of "Christmas" are like the story about the Emperor Who Had No Clothes and everybody just played along and pretended he was dressed so nicely and then some little honest boy hollered out, "The emperor has no clothes!"
Some of us holler the plain truth that Christmas is pagan, Christmas isn't for Christians, it's all one BIG LIE that God and Jesus Christ hate, and most don't want to wake up or come to their senses, preferring their drugged state, stoned on false religion.
http://www.prpc-stl.org/auto_images/1071...f_Xmas.htm
I think you should read all of that and get The real facts on Christmas.
First of all christmas was a holdiay as eariler as 200ad.
The roman empire brought the sun god back into worship int 274 ad why the main reason to counter the christians celebration. The plain truth is christmas was being held before the sun god even was back into worship. The roman empire of 274 put the birth day of the sun god on dec 25.
etc... ican go and on and on
http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/ar...6-10-012-v
you should read this site and the other.
you do not even get the word Mass right if you want to know what I mean take the time to read other things that may be againts your views
Plus also because the bible does not make Jesus birth sometime to being celebrated by does not make it wrong. so far that the weakes arugment so far I heard
Some remain in denial and think their bucket of excuses for their whitewashed pagan holiday will move the God who says He does not change. No wonder Isaiah spoke of those who worship God in vain, setting aside the commandments of God to keep their own traditions. That's IDOLATRY, no matter how some try to wrap it. Even with a bow on top, it's still a condemned pagan hollow day that Christians would do well to avoid, as the commandment is to FORSAKE BABYLON - not stay stuck in the muck.
david why dont you come out your shell and read History as it is.
Rather, the pagan festival of the “Birth of the Unconquered Son” instituted by the Roman Emperor Aurelian on 25 December 274, was almost certainly an attempt to create a pagan alternative to a date that was already of some significance to Roman Christians. Thus the “pagan origins of Christmas” is a myth without historical substance.
In the Julian calendar, created in 45 B.C. under Julius Caesar, the winter solstice fell on December 25th, and it therefore seemed obvious to Jablonski and Hardouin that the day must have had a pagan significance before it had a Christian one. But in fact, the date had no religious significance in the Roman pagan festal calendar before Aurelian’s time, nor did the cult of the sun play a prominent role in Rome before him.
As things actually happened, Aurelian, who ruled from 270 until his assassination in 275, was hostile to Christianity and appears to have promoted the establishment of the festival of the “Birth of the Unconquered Sun” as a device to unify the various pagan cults of the Roman Empire around a commemoration of the annual “rebirth” of the sun. He led an empire that appeared to be collapsing in the face of internal unrest, rebellions in the provinces, economic decay, and repeated attacks from German tribes to the north and the Persian Empire to the east.
In creating the new feast, he intended the beginning of the lengthening of the daylight, and the arresting of the lengthening of darkness, on December 25th to be a symbol of the hoped-for “rebirth,” or perpetual rejuvenation, of the Roman Empire, resulting from the maintenance of the worship of the gods whose tutelage (the Romans thought) had brought Rome to greatness and world-rule. If it co-opted the Christian celebration, so much the better.
And the pagan feast which the Emperor Aurelian instituted on that date in the year 274 was not only an effort to use the winter solstice to make a political statement, but also almost certainly an attempt to give a pagan significance to a date already of importance to Roman Christians. The Christians, in turn, could at a later date re-appropriate the pagan “Birth of the Unconquered Sun” to refer, on the occasion of the birth of Christ, to the rising of the “Sun of Salvation” or the “Sun of Justice.”
Some stuff from that one site. Some people will do anything to deny History and go into denial of History to Believe what they want.
The emperor tried to achieve more unity in the Empire by establishing Sol invictus as supreme god of the Roman Empire. On coins, Sol is called Dominus imperi Romani. A priesthood called "priests of the Sun-god" was created. At the end of A.D.274, perhaps on the 25th of December (Sol's alleged birthday), he inaugurated the new temple of the Sun-god in Rome on the eastern Campus Martius (today between the Via del Corso and the Piazza San Silvestro). Annual ludi and an agon Solis every fourth year were being held in honor of the Sun-god [[28]]. Aurelian also restored discipline in the army [[29]].
As you see He is the one who started the sun god. Even if the sun god dated befor him It not sure if dec 25 was his birthday like many anti-christmas people cliam.
To me its clear he wanted his birthday on dec 25 for a good reason to mock the christians.