I think that this forum ("Roman Catholicism") may actually be best placed under "Theology" for several reasons:
- The Church, particularly Roman Catholic, schism from the Jewish community for years.
- The Roman Catholic church against many; including, but not limited to, Protestants, Euro-Afro Orthodox (i.e., Greek and Ethiopian) churchmembers, and even the Scriptures.
- The fact that many Messianic Jewish people are Roman Catholic; and that some (like two at my church) are Protestant/Evangelical/Reformed.
I figured that someone would've at least voted "Yay" or "Nay"; just like Pelosi, who is Roman Catholic and a Baltimore native of San Francisco residence. david, note that one of the most Roman Catholic states in this country is also the most liberal and secular-progressive. By the way, that would be another thing to discuss: Do Roman Catholicism and other legalistic denominations or religions help fuel secular-progressivism?
I think that this forum ("Roman Catholicism") may actually be best placed under "Theology" for several reasons:
- The Church, particularly Roman Catholic, schism from the Jewish community for years.
- The Roman Catholic church against many; including, but not limited to, Protestants, Euro-Afro Orthodox (i.e., Greek and Ethiopian) churchmembers, and even the Scriptures.
- The fact that many Messianic Jewish people are Roman Catholic; and that some (like two at my church) are Protestant/Evangelical/Reformed.
I disagree. What individual Roman Catholics may believe is not what should be discussed - it is the topic - not the person - that should be discussed.
The topic is Roman Catholicism - that is - Roman Catholic Dogma - and that this, imo, is being adeqately dealt with on this Forum without the inconvience and confusion of replies being delayed (sometimes by days) for moderator approval.
A couple of Roman Catholics have unsuccessfully attempted to introduce protestantism and biblle believing Christianity into this forum but they should be reminded if they wish to discuss other religions they should do so on appropriate threads.
Another objection I have is that if you are going to include the cult of papism as a 'theology' then you cannot properly exlude all the other cults into 'theology' such as the JW's, Mormons, Christadelphians, Spiritualists, Unitarians, Universalists, Christian Scientists, etc etc all of whom, like papism, regard themselves as 'Christian'.
Papism is a cult involved in a War - Rome versus Jerusalem! That is not theology - it is spiritual warfare!
DavidJ
I disagree. What individual Roman Catholics may believe is not what should be discussed - it is the topic - not the person - that should be discussed.
The topic is Roman Catholicism - that is - Roman Catholic Dogma - and that this, imo, is being adeqately dealt with on this Forum without the inconvience and confusion of replies being delayed (sometimes by days) for moderator approval.
A couple of Roman Catholics have unsuccessfully attempted to introduce protestantism and biblle believing Christianity into this forum but they should be reminded if they wish to discuss other religions they should do so on appropriate threads.
Another objection I have is that if you are going to include the cult of papism as a 'theology' then you cannot properly exlude all the other cults into 'theology' such as the JW's, Mormons, Christadelphians, Spiritualists, Unitarians, Universalists, Christian Scientists, etc etc all of whom, like papism, regard themselves as 'Christian'.
Papism is a cult involved in a War - Rome versus Jerusalem! That is not theology - it is spiritual warfare!
DavidJ
Roman Catholicism is a Trinitarian religion. For that reason they are entitled to be called Christian. The other sects you mention are not.
Roman Catholicism is a Trinitarian religion. For that reason they are entitled to be called Christian. The other sects you mention are not.
I do not believe the Bible teaches that belonging to a Trinitarian religion entitles them to call themselves Christian. Therefore, please cite your scripurual authority.
Roman Catholicsm is a cult, or sect if you wish, because,
contrary to Biblical teaching, their cultish beliefs are based on man made and statinically inspired traditions that salvation is a long, complicated process with no assurance of eternal life and forgiveness of all sin. Baptism, Mass, Confession, prayers to Mary and the Saints, good works, Inquisitions and purgator are all (unbiblically) added to faith in Christ. Also the cult position of the Pope which is deep rooted in Roman Paganism.
DavidJ
I disagree. What individual Roman Catholics may believe is not what should be discussed - it is the topic - not the person - that should be discussed...
Another objection I have is that if you are going to include the cult of papism as a 'theology' then you cannot properly exlude all the other cults into 'theology' such as the JW's, Mormons, Christadelphians, Spiritualists, Unitarians, Universalists, Christian Scientists, etc etc all of whom, like papism, regard themselves as 'Christian'.
But DavidJ, many Messianic Jewish and gentile people are Roman Catholic. So, why shouldn't they be discussed in light of their beliefs as well?
For example, we could tell Mariner, "I understand that you're Jewish and Messianic, but you're Roman Catholic. Why are you in a church where Jewish, other Roman Catholic, Protestant, and other people have been persecuted by this church that claims to follow the Jewish Messiah, Jesus; and where Mary is worshipped?"
Roman Catholicsm is a cult, or sect if you wish, because, contrary to Biblical teaching, their cultish beliefs are based on man made and statinically inspired traditions that salvation is a long, complicated process with no assurance of eternal life and forgiveness of all sin. Baptism, Mass, Confession, prayers to Mary and the Saints, good works, Inquisitions and purgator are all (unbiblically) added to faith in Christ. Also the cult position of the Pope which is deep rooted in Roman Paganism.
DavidJ
Doesn't Roman Catholicism run parallel to Talmudic and non-Messianic Judaism in that way? For example:
- Baptism = circumcision and mivkeh automatically save one
- Mass = Talmudic traditions (i.e., only Jewish if mother is)
- Confession = sacrifices of animals above mercy
- Prayers to Mary and saints = trusts in cohanim and "rabbis" above God
- Good works = faith in a "Messiah" that is not Y'shua HaNotzri
- Inquisitions and purgatory = anti-goyism and anti-Christianity such as in Hasidics isolating themselves from and persecuting the general community
Doesn't Roman Catholicism run parallel to Talmudic and non-Messianic Judaism in that way?
My understanding is (and I am ready to be corrected here) that the Talmud is not Holy Spirit Inspired Scripture but a record of rabbinic discussions pertaining to Jewish law, ethics, customs, and history. I don't think papism has anything which strictly compares with the Talmud unless you are attempting to compare the Catechism.
However, because I do have a fairly extensive knowlege of Roman Catholicsm but not of the Talmudic and non-Messianic Judasism I must confess I am not in a position to make an informed comparison.
DavidJ
God hates tradition...always has always will.....
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
The RC is the spiritual Babylon of Revelation...that is fact
A church building whether its a Roman Catholic Cathedral or a Lutheran,Methodist etc church isn't God's Church. He doesn't care about physical building's made with man's hands.
His church is each individual in whom those who have his Holy Ghost residing. When we do anything against His word in thought,word or action we defile His Church. When He comes for His Bride He will be calling those who are sealed by HIM no a building.
He won't ask "are you Roman Catholic,Lutheran,Methodist etc" he will just call and those RC's who know Him will go,those Methodists who know Him will go etc. By knowing Him I mean those who are washed in baptism,have repented of their sins and recieved the infilling of the Holy Ghost.
