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primogenit Wrote:

Quote from Anja:

"When we get baptized and receive the Holy Ghost we are sons of God and we are in the body of Christ and He is the head of the body."


RE:
Baptism is more a spiritual ritual than anything else. It is a religious tradition that describes one's hunger for God's knowledge and hope for divine blessings. It should mean acceptance and submission to The Almighty God.

From the time we are conceived to the day we are born in flesh, we become God's children. How we conduct ourselves after that will dictate and determine whether there is righteousness to ascend or not.  


Dear brother thise are not my words but a quote from some other post .

I to believe there is much more to it than just get baptised to be cleaned from your sin.Our own I  died in Christ his name  as we go under the water ,and we received a new live in him as we rice out from the water
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?  6:2 May it never be! We who died to sin, how could we live in it any longer?  6:3 Or don’t you know that all we who were immersed into Messiah Yeshua were immersed into his death?  6:4 We were buried therefore with him through immersion to death, that just like Messiah was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.  6:5 For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will also be part of his resurrection;  6:6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be in bondage to sin.  6:7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.  6:8 But if we died with Messiah, we believe that we will also live with him;  6:9 knowing that Messiah, being raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no more has dominion over him!  6:10 For the death that he died, he died to sin one time; but the life that he lives, he lives to God.  6:11 Thus consider yourselves also to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Messiah Yeshua our Lord.
But this is not the Post to talk about his subject now .
Anja Andreas Wrote:

Wilby look what you say :
In Brother Kolenda's own words

>Brother Kolenda is the Author of 13 books expounding the scriptures.

But we need to go to God ,follow only him ,pray and ask HIM to guide you .... to make you understand the word of God through his spirit .


You are quoting the words of his wife about her husband that I put on my web site from her site.

I did not know him in his early years and I do not have any of his books presently.


This man had an understanding of scripture second to none and I wish I could get hold of his writings so I could see even deeper into the word of God. There are misteries that have been hidden in God from the beginning and is being revealed and some it has already been revealed to like those that have gone before us. This man had the mind of Christ as did the Aspostle Paul. These two men could have had a wanderful conversation together about the High Calling in Christ Jesus, something no one on this board as any understanding of...but me.
I can take you there but NOT until we all agree on the same salvation and the reasons for needing to be saved according to what I have said. Until then the High Calling in Christ Jesus will remain a mystery to all of you.

The really sad part is that you can not even get into His kingdom without being born of the water and of the spirit and this is a stubbling block for most of you.

"Apostle Paul" - have you received the Holy Ghost since you first believed? NO, then how were you baptized...into John's baptism. Paul immediately rebaptized them into Jesus, laid hands on them and they were filled with the Holy Ghost.....this my friends is when your salvation journey begins.


Take it or leave it, your choice, but it is scriptural and it is the truth.

A message to Anja Andreas:

I am pleased you visited my web site. I am pleased that you copied and pasted some of my writings on this board...BUT, please do not change any words or add any words that make it kook like I wrote them. You add YHVH I did not, you add yeshua, messiah, I say Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus.
I do not like the 'Y' letter as I believe it should be a 'J' letter as in Jeshua/Jesus. I do not like the word YAH as this means moon god. Helleluyah means praise the moon god. The word is Ellelui.

I will refresh my memory on this subject and write about it.

How does this sound Jew or Yew. Judah or Yudah?[/size]

Wilby Wrote:
These two men could have had a wanderful conversation together about the High Calling in Christ Jesus, something no one on this board as any understanding of...but me.
I can take you there but NOT until we all agree on the same salvation and the reasons for needing to be saved according to what I have said. Until then the High Calling in Christ Jesus will remain a mystery to all of you.

The really sad part is that you can not even get into His kingdom without being born of the water and of the spirit and this is a stubbling block for most of you.

"Apostle Paul" - have you received the Holy Ghost since you first believed? NO, then how were you baptized...into John's baptism. Paul immediately rebaptized them into Jesus, laid hands on them and they were filled with the Holy Ghost.....this my friends is when your salvation journey begins.

Okay; despite your misinterpretation of Paul's baptism of disciples of John, you claim that only you, your spiritual hero Ernest Kolenda, and Paul are the ones who have knowledge, a sort of exclusive triad.  You also want those here at the forums to come under your teaching authority, or else.  Do you also have visitations or other phenomena happening in your life?
Dear Wilby :
You talk just like the Bible Students and Jehovah witness Eek

This brother and his followers do not understand about the spiritual Jew or the bride. At least that is what they seem to say in these quotes I took from their web site. I don’t know why this brother was made to understand who God was without understanding the bride.
I hope his followers are not trapped in his teachings like the JW’s and Bible Students are captives to their leaders teachings. If this is the case then we will know they are not spiritually lead but hold on to one mans teachings instead of trusting God to show them the all truth only he can supply.

Who are the 144,000 from the Old Testament?
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

These are the people that Christ freed (by removing the keys of hell and of death from Satan)and preached to them in Paradise for three days after he died on the cross. Many of these saints were see walking the streets after Christ resurrected and they rose to Heaven with him while they await the start of their ministry here on Earth in the New Jerusalem.

This is NOT the New Testemant salvation!
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Saints of the Old Testemant receive a new name.
Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb
They also believe Adam was created a spiritual being and after sin became flesh. They think the saints of the Old Testament are the bride of Christ. They need the holy spirit to open their eyes because they only have a partial truth. They know who god is but have no idea what his true plans are it seems.
Anja Andreas Wrote:

Wilby Wrote:

Anja Andreas Wrote:

I found this translation on your website :
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

But my bible says 1John 5:7 For there are three who testify*:  5:8 the Spirit(Lukas 3:22,Math3;16), the water(Lukas3;21,Math3;13), and the ,blood(Eph1;7,Heb9;22,1Peter 1;19); and the three agree as one.  

To me these 3 testify the Son is Yah =my saviour Yah,shua Messiah:
5:5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Yeshua is the Son of God?  5:6 This is he who came by water and blood, Yeshua the Messiah; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is God’s testimony which he has testified concerning his Son.  5:10 He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who doesn’t believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning his Son.  5:11 The testimony is this, that God gave to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.  5:12 He who has the Son has the life. He who doesn’t have God’s Son doesn’t have the life.  5:13 These things I have written to you who believe IN THE NAME (Yahweh=Yeshua messiah) OF THE SON OF GOD, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

Now I ask ,what translation did you use ? KJV
Is it a Catholic translation ? Absolutely NOT!



Back then they knew the true meaning of the word believe and that meaning seems to be lost today.
If you are not baptized in Jesus name and filled with His Spirit then many of the scriptures do not apply to you.



I heard this kind of manipulation many years in the orgnisation of Jehovah witness brother
This is the reason why Yeshua freed me from these type of men.

I did surch and read some of the work of this man on internet but i do not agree in everything he says .



Dear brother thise are all my words and I did not copy them and change them
This is the only line one  1John5:7  I copy and i did not change it !
Pleace read more carefuly ?
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Dear Wilby

you say :I do not like the 'Y' letter as I believe it should be a 'J' letter as in Jeshua/Jesus. I do not like the word YAH as this means moon god. Helleluyah means praise the moon god. The word is Ellelui.

Dear brother
Why do you fight over doctrines you received from one man ,just like Jehovah witness and Bible students do
Is this the fruit of Gods spirit ?
"Have I all the knowlidge but have no love I have nothing"

Dear Wilby let me say to you first I do not judge any one,only God is judge,
I love all my brothers and sisters here on the forum for god love them all
All i do is sharing the love of God and how "I believe".
You gave me this link of this website and I wend to read it,
Now I found the translation on the website is so diferant from my bible ?
This verse  of 1 John 5:7  is a bad interpretation .
Please read the Diaglot ,I think it is more accurate.

Diaglot"1 John 5:6 ¶  This is the one having come by means of water and blood, Jesus the Anointed; not by the water only, but by the water and the blood; and the spirit is the one testifying, because the spirit is the truth.
7  Because three are those testifying;
8  the spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three for the one are.
9  If the testimony of the men we receive, the testimony of the God greater is; because this is the testimony of the God, which he has testified concerning the son of himself.
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Baptistic Wrote:

Wilby Wrote:
These two men could have had a wanderful conversation together about the High Calling in Christ Jesus, something no one on this board as any understanding of...but me.
I can take you there but NOT until we all agree on the same salvation and the reasons for needing to be saved according to what I have said. Until then the High Calling in Christ Jesus will remain a mystery to all of you.

The really sad part is that you can not even get into His kingdom without being born of the water and of the spirit and this is a stubbling block for most of you.

"Apostle Paul" - have you received the Holy Ghost since you first believed? NO, then how were you baptized...into John's baptism. Paul immediately rebaptized them into Jesus, laid hands on them and they were filled with the Holy Ghost.....this my friends is when your salvation journey begins.

Okay; despite your misinterpretation of Paul's baptism of disciples of John, you claim that only you, your spiritual hero Ernest Kolenda, and Paul are the ones who have knowledge, a sort of exclusive triad.  You also want those here at the forums to come under your teaching authority, or else.  Do you also have visitations or other phenomena happening in your life?


Dear brother first af all if Jesus was here he would not open the hearts of men saying these lines:
I can take you there but NOT until we all agree on the same salvation and the reasons for needing to be saved according to what I have said.[/color] Until then the High Calling in Christ Jesus will remain a mystery to all of you.

Do not forget  Christ him self lives in the body and he is the one who talks,
Is this Christ who is talking ?

If you say you are reborn in him you show some love ,mercy ,fruits of the spirit.
Of course Jeshua wants us to become baptised in his name,but out of love for him and what he did for us
Not out of fear !
All who are baptised in his name are saved by his blood brother
But first you need to empty your self before spirit can fill your vessel
after we are filled whith the new fresh water( his spirit ) the miracle God inside us turnes the water in to blood (wine).

The wine we share on the last supper ,is the blood we share
We become one in his body through his sacrefice,his blood
And now we know: no longer we live for our self but we live to free this world from the evil one.
Whether we live ore we die , all is for the glory of his holy name and for the glory of our Eternal Father in heaven who gave his Son so we can become one in him.








Baptistic Wrote:

Wilby Wrote:
These two men could have had a wanderful conversation together about the High Calling in Christ Jesus, something no one on this board as any understanding of...but me.
I can take you there but NOT until we all agree on the same salvation and the reasons for needing to be saved according to what I have said. Until then the High Calling in Christ Jesus will remain a mystery to all of you.

The really sad part is that you can not even get into His kingdom without being born of the water and of the spirit and this is a stubbling block for most of you.

"Apostle Paul" - have you received the Holy Ghost since you first believed? NO, then how were you baptized...into John's baptism. Paul immediately rebaptized them into Jesus, laid hands on them and they were filled with the Holy Ghost.....this my friends is when your salvation journey begins.


Okay; despite your misinterpretation of Paul's baptism of disciples of John, you claim that only you, your spiritual hero Ernest Kolenda, and Paul are the ones who have knowledge, a sort of exclusive triad.  You also want those here at the forums to come under your teaching authority, or else.  Do you also have visitations or other phenomena happening in your life?


I did not misinterpretate Paul, I paraphraised as I expect most to know or at least be able to find the exact words, but never the lest my point on baptism in Jesus name by our greatest Apostle in the new testemant message is assured.
Again, someone that paraphraises to the point of lying about what I said. By the way, the Holy Ghost would be my spiritual hero if there is such a thing!
The only real authority is the word of God that is revealed to us through the scriptures. The salvation I speak of is scriptural and it is the same as the apostles taught, it is complete salvation that I fully understand and accept.
You sound very sarcastic, is the truth difficult for you or are you just hanging on to a false belief system to stay with your group or with your friends?
There is a High Calling in Christ Jesus so search for it but you will need a greater understanding of things before you understand it's fullness. Like being baptized and becoming part of Christ Jesus first.
Maybe you would like to hang me on a cross or behead me for telling the truth?

Peter was crusified, Paul, beheaded, John, beheaded. etc.

I do sound forcefull only beceause I met much resistance. My goal is to try to lead you to the waters of salvation and get you saved.

I am constantly hearing the same arguments against baptism and I am constantly trying to correct people, Hence my web site.

I would love to have a more peaceful walk in Christ but trying to get the word out is met with MUCH resistance from the evil one.

Understand that what I am doing is no different from someone shouting from the highest roof top saying those that have an ear hear let him hear what the spirit is saying.

TIME IS AT HAND!

Quote:
I can take you there but NOT until we all agree on the same salvation and the reasons for needing to be saved according to what I have said.


-emphasis mine-

Thanks but I think I will pass on that group tour....I prespire easily.

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I do not like the 'Y' letter as I believe it should be a 'J' letter as in Jeshua/Jesus. I do not like the word YAH as this means moon god. Helleluyah means praise the moon god. The word is Ellelui.



And this only exposes your ignorance of Biblical things, like, um, HEBREW.


There is no "J" in Hebrew.
(Transliterations according to Strong's Concordance, Hebrew unless otherwise noted)
(Simon) Peter- Shim`own (HB) Petros (GK)
Andrew - Andreas (GK)
James (of Zebedee) - Ya`aqob
John - Yowchanan
Philip - Philippos (GK)
Bartholemew - Bartholomaios (GK)
Thomas - Thômas (GK, Aramaic origin)
Matthew - Mattithyah
James (of Alpheus) - Ya`aqob
Labbeus -Lebbaios (uncertain origin)
Simon (the Canaanite) - Shim`own  
Judas - Yĕhuwdah
who was Saul - Sha'uwl
who was called Paul - Paulos
all called Him by the name His mother, Mary -Miryam
gave Him, Jesus - Yĕhowshuwa`
A derivitive of the Holy Name YHWH.... His name, in Hebrew means "YHWH is salvation".

If Hebrew offends you, you have a bit of a problem.
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