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"He is unprecedented in world history without compare. Jesus lived Mosaic Torah in perfection. Without violence He turned the world upside down, raised mighty nations and great institutions; billions in every land and tongue worship Jesus; the world still reels from His first advent. He did it all in 3 years."



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Jesus - as great as he was in his time - didn't fulfill all the works that Messiah has to do.


I do not understand why you believe Jesus raised mighty nations ans institutions. I think otherwise. Powerful institutions have been built around Jesus image. They have become the new rulers in name of a "twisted" gospel but that doesn't necessarily means that these organizations and governing bodies are legitimate.


Nonetheless, Jesus came with great purpose and the testimony of his whole life will be the ruler for the one who has to come.

wilby it just shows all you are very ignorant of the fact The apostles taught when one believe on him they are saved.



The apostles would ask them do you believe in Jesus Not do you want to be baptism to be saved.


The fact is the apostles waited for an answer base on that question before baptism just shows in fact it not require for salvation.



The earlier Church sense 100AD would wait a period of time before baptism a new convert.



They would teach them the scriptures and everything they need to know and see if they are genuine in the faith to learn.



The main fact is wilby you want to teach another gospel of Christ base on works.


You deny The greek  you deny  first century church etc......



Sense 100ad it been a practice of delaying baptism until The new convert learn the scriptures.




This was even still in the lifetime of the last apostle and I think if it require for salvation


John would of written about it.




it sad willby you are so confuse on baptism of the holy spirit.




if you would look in peter when he says  not puting  away the filth of the flesh.


he making it clear nothing we can do can take our sins away.


This part alone tells what baptism this about but you do not even study what I give do you?



Your see your self as a teacher but yet you refuse to listen to  the students viewpoints to study them.



that a bad teacher.



willby jesus did take our place on the cross.


if he did not die then we would of died in place of our sins.





willby it you that fight the  truth.



I even went so far to try to explain you on how greek reads in the verses but yet you deny it.

Then why do you attempt to invalidate the idea of eternally-secure salvation and eternal life? (John 1-3, Romans 8-12, Galatians 1)

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"Tanakh clearly indicates sin separates from God."


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I believe that to be true too.

RE: For those who think Jesus is the Almighty God himself

Quote: primogenit
Jesus - as great as he was in his time - didn't fulfill all the works that Messiah has to do.

Faith: Here's the link to 121 prophesies fulfilled by Jesus in the Book of Isaiah alone.

Quote: primogenit
I do not understand why you believe Jesus raised mighty nations and institutions. I think otherwise.

Faith: Europe: All the Kings & Queens, America Founded under King James IV (of the KJV Bible), Oxford, Cambridge, Eaton, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Red Cross, the list goes on and on.  

"And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising." Isaiah 60:3

Quote: primogenit
Powerful institutions have been built around Jesus... They have become the new rulers in name of a "twisted" gospel...

Quote: primogenit
These institutions and nations were built on the Bible in the name of "Our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ" (Yeshua HaMochiach)

"And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth." Isaiah 49:6

"A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel." Luke 2:32
Messiah to Every Nation & Tongue

'I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.' Daniel 7:13-14

Faith to primogenit - 2 of 2

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Nonetheless, Jesus came with great purpose...

Faith
Indeed, He came to save you from eternal hell & separation from Him. [1]

"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24

Quote: primogenit
...the one who has to come.

Jesus said,

'I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.' John 5:42-44

That other oneis the beast of Revelation 13

Don't do it. Jesus Christ is the Lord.
May Sar Shalom, Yeshua HaMochiach bless you with His truth.
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[1] To Hell & Back - Testimonies (Google video)

[2] The Prayer of Salvation in Yeshua HaMochiach

You basically answered your own question.

When Jesus was in the flesh He was human. He had the spirit of the Father with Him at all times UNTIL He became sin on the cross and at that point the Father seperated from Him and Jesus felt His strength leave Him...He became sin.

Yes, He could have called 10,000 angels at anytime but He chose to fullfill scripture and do the will of His Father. Jesus is the begotten Son and He is the God of the O.T. He is the Word made flesh and the Word is the Word from the Father, begotten in the beginning. All things were made and created by the begotten Son and they still are to this day as scripture clearly states, "I go to prepare a place for you" In my Fathers house are many mansions (many levels).
We have the Father and we have God(Elohim) His Son and thats it. The Holy Ghost does the work for the Father but is of the Father, just as the Son is of the Father.

Everything is of the Father and all things were made for His pleasure.

The Father gives life but at the end of the day or in this case eions of time ONLY the Father has life of His own and one day He will draw everything back into Himself.

TO: GoyOfY'shua

RE:  For those who think Jesus is the Almighty God himself




Faith: As mentioned to you previously we have eternal life whether in heaven or hell. The issue is "eternally secure salvation".

Paul said: "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Romans 7:12

Scripture shows we are free from the "curse" (death) which comes from disobedience to the law. The principle is: Law, violate, repent, and accept atonement through the pure, spotless, Paschal Lamb - Jesus Christ whose blood (eternal life) sets us free from the consequences of violating God's PERFECT law. For 'all have sinned and fallen short...' (John 1-3, Romans 8-12, Galations 1)

Thus, Christ is the FULLNESS - FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW being the requisite atonement fully complete it's observance. Thus, 'not under the law' and 'not keep the law' are two different distinctions leavened by the likes of Luther and dispensationalists who had NO CLUE of the HEBREW CONTEXT from which ALL SCRIPTURE is given - in fact, despised it for covetousness*. *DING! LAW VIOLATION! (cont.)

TO: GoyOfY'shua - From: Faith (cont.)

Freedom from the consequences of violating the law by the Paschal lamb does not grant license to violate the law. Look no further than the 10 Commandments for the summation of the Law which applies in Letter (action) and in Spirit (truth).

Hebrews says, 'For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,' Hebrews 10:26

Thus, the payment for sin becomes required at the hand of the sinner.  

God calls His people to HOLINESS. The Letter (Jesus the Word) is the PHYSICAL LAW of LIFE. The Spirit (Jesus Almighty God) is the SPIRITUAL-ETERNAL LAW of Life. This truth is mirrored in all Western Law which is based on the Bible. The Letter and The Spirit are NEVER mutually exclusive and The Spirit is ultimately the GREATER, however, it NEVER 'does away' with The Letter since the Letter (actions) reflects The Spirit (truth). Kapish?

Look at scripture ENTIRELY and in CONTEXT. I sent the link of EVERY instance mentioned in the Bible of "Sabbath" and "sin". See what the WHOLE Bible says about it in EVERY instance. Know who is talking (Hebrews) and what they are talking about (the Law as given to and observed by Hebrews) This is who YOU ARE INGRAFTED INTO, the Holy People Israel, THROUGH CHRIST (Romans 11) That's "context".

God bless you. Now go find out about your spiritual heritage in Holy Redeemed Israel through Christ.

'And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.' Revelation 12:17

sugarman~

This is what wilby hears: "blah, blah, blah, blah, wilby, blah, blah, blah, blah."

I am afraid you are wasting your precious time.... only God can heal his deafness.

Wilby, may God have mercy on you, and remove the scales from your eyes in a miraculous way, and that you continue to be bold in wisdom as you are in ignorance. That's my earnest prayer for you. Amen.