JFJ Forums - Jews moving their lips on Temple Mount an incitement and called illegal

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"Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter of the Olmert-led government of Israel has declared that all Jewish prayer, even the silent moving of lips, is illegal."

The next phase of Muslim terror has come, when they have pressured those in office in Israel to ban even the moving of one's lips on the Temple Mount.

Heaven help the Jews of Israel against these who conspire against their very living existence...be they spiritual sons of Korah, or Belial, or whathaveyou among them, saying they are fellow Jews and are not.

http://universaltorah.com/programming/20...-mount.htm

The reply link above is from the Temple Institute and the New Jewish Congress, and approximately 6 minutes in length.

What happens to the physical Jews first by the Muslim, targets the Christian (through Yeshua Rabbeinu, those who have become the spiritual fellow Jews) next.

Will we Christians who dare to visit the Temple Mount, now ourselves be subject to arrest because of this law?  "Any overt act of prayer", no matter how small, is now subject to arrest.  Destination: the muslim jail-house...not a more fair, Israeli, one.

Benjamin Franklin said, "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God."

Captain Parker at the Battle of Lexington said, "Stand your ground! Don't fire unless fired upon! But if they mean to have a war, let it begin here!"

The tyrant has changed, the battle ground has shifted, and the thirst for freedom has not been quenched. What is wrong with all of us--Jew and Christian--when we call restriction freedom, capitulation peace, and liberalism salvation? Christians fired the first shot heard around the world on a grassy field. How long before we hear the last fired from a holy mount?

May the One God forgive us all--Jew and Christian--for our inaction. We have slumbered while the enemy has slaved.

Come, Messiah, come.

Brianroy Wrote:

Alert!

"Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter of the Olmert-led government of Israel has declared that all Jewish prayer, even the silent moving of lips, is illegal."

The next phase of Muslim terror has come, when they have pressured those in office in Israel to ban even the moving of one's lips on the Temple Mount.

Heaven help the Jews of Israel against these who conspire against their very living existence...be they spiritual sons of Korah, or Belial, or whathaveyou among them, saying they are fellow Jews and are not.

http://universaltorah.com/programming/20...-mount.htm

The reply link above is from the Temple Institute and the New Jewish Congress, and approximately 6 minutes in length.

What happens to the physical Jews first by the Muslim, targets the Christian (through Yeshua Rabbeinu, those who have become the spiritual fellow Jews) next.

Will we Christians who dare to visit the Temple Mount, now ourselves be subject to arrest because of this law?  "Any overt act of prayer", no matter how small, is now subject to arrest.  Destination: the muslim jail-house...not a more fair, Israeli, one.

more signs of the end of days

if I live in israel to tell you the truth I not a person to take things light.

I would most likely rebolt against this law if I live there even if the odds are against me.

Those who deny Jesus before men Jesus will deny you before the Father

Brianroy Wrote:

"Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter of the Olmert-led government of Israel has declared that all Jewish prayer, even the silent moving of lips, is illegal."

http://universaltorah.com/programming/20...-mount.htm

Will we Christians who dare to visit the Temple Mount, now ourselves be subject to arrest because of this law?

I assume the Muslims are not precluded from praying there.  There is no appeasement.

We are exhorted to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.  We know that this prayer will be answered! and in the affirmative.  That is our hope, because our hope is Y'shua's sure and soon return.

How else can we help, how can we most effectively communicate support in the way of spiritual, material and responsible political-coming-alongside the nation that the enemy thinks he can fool the entire world into thinking is possible to eradicate?  Perhaps a thread should be devoted to those suggestions.

Here's an article I think relative to the topic. It discusses the rally in Jerusalem after Bush's visit. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/124882

It's too bad the OJs want to hate us because we Christians would make excellent allies in the fight for Zion, and we could have added some passages from the NT to go along with the ones the Jews no doubt highlighted for Mr. Bush.

We must be more vocal, as Christians speaking to other Christians, to convince others from the Bible that Yeshua still loves the Jews and that He is returning soon for them. I don't believe that Yeshua wants us to join the Jews if they should arm themselves, but certainly He has given us a weapon that we should be wielding for the Zionist cause in our churches.

Ways to support Zionism
Speak up for Zionism, since so many who should, won't.

Elect a man (implication intended) who loves life and Israel as much as us--these are really the primary issues. http://www.cfr.org/publication/14756/ and http://www.issues2000.org/default.htm

Do not elect any man who has anything in his background that relates to Islam or who is pro-"palestinian." http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5286

Notify the White House of your disgust at the thought of dividing Israel and Jerusalem: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

(BTW, have you noticed all the storms and weather issues we've been having lately? Bill Koenig seems to be on to something.)

It's not that simple, just hoping for a Christian candidate or leader today. The fact that Mr. Bush was of the replacement theology background was not as apparent or important until this late date. To him, it is apparently in line to go ahead and divide Jerusalem. Christians need to ask Christian candidates where they stand on God's future for Israel, what they understand and believe in. The OJs will probably be hard to convince because it appears that the church is speaking with forked tongue. But the church is divided on this important thing. It matters what we believe.

Baptistic Wrote:

It's not that simple, just hoping for a Christian candidate or leader today.
I cannot argue with you there.
The only one that I can name this go around is Huckabee. I'd don't like all his issues, but I know this is a man who will not only pray to God, he'll listen to Him. Unlike some presidents we have now. It's not simple, but it's a start.

The fact that Mr. Bush was of the replacement theology background was not as apparent or important until this late date. To him, it is apparently in line to go ahead and divide Jerusalem. Christians need to ask Christian candidates where they stand on God's future for Israel, what they understand and believe in.
Huckabee is not for dividing Israel. Hunter and Guiliani are also not for dividing Israel--though I don't think I could vote for Guiliani and not sure if I'll get the chance for Hunter. McCain seems to be for dividing Israel if the "Israeli Jordanians" would behave. Mitt Romney has made no clear statement; but given that Mormons believe that spiritual Judaism has moved to Utah, I wouldn't trust him with the Temple Mount. I'm a little scared of practical people, as well.

The OJs will probably be hard to convince because it appears that the church is speaking with forked tongue. But the church is divided on this important thing. It matters what we believe.
It also matters what we do. The problem is that aside from writing the PM of Israel and the White House and voting for a MAN who stands with God, there doesn't seem to be a lot we can do.

We are already on the OJs side on this issue, and they don't seem to need much convincing. Its the secular and liberal Jews that need to be convinced. Liberals won't listen to reason or evidence, being emotionally controlled, and I get the feeling from Israeli news that the secular Jews would do anything just to spite the OJs. However, this is for Jews to do.

Christians need to speak to other Christians and secular Americans. We need to get Christians to not only see their need for Christ, but to understand who He is. My feeling, though, is that many of those the world points to as Christians have long left the fold. Thoughts on this?

revelation320 Wrote:

Baptistic Wrote:

It's not that simple, just hoping for a Christian candidate or leader today.
I cannot argue with you there.
The only one that I can name this go around is Huckabee. I'd don't like all his issues, but I know this is a man who will not only pray to God, he'll listen to Him. Unlike some presidents we have now. It's not simple, but it's a start.....

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Bush is not perfect; but is our country listening either? Also, McCain is more honest than Huckabee, probably wouldn't divide Israel, and has admitted to (and explained and defended, even clarified) his record.

P.S. I could go on about Huckabee; and I wish JFJ had a politics forum, but if I could chose to live in MD or AK, MD by far, because Ehrlich was way better than Huckabee; and that's my polite side speaking.

Brianroy Wrote:

"Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter of the Olmert-led government of Israel has declared that all Jewish prayer, even the silent moving of lips, is illegal."

The next phase of Muslim terror has come, when they have pressured those in office in Israel to ban even the moving of one's lips on the Temple Mount.

You know what is ironic about all this? Israel bans Jews from davening
on the Temple Mount, but allows Hamas to broadcast from it.
The very prayers the Israeli government is banning, are what are needed
for Israels' survival.....

revelation320 Wrote:

It's too bad the OJs want to hate us because we Christians would make excellent allies in the fight for Zion

Orthodox Jews do not hate Christians; while it is admittedly not all
that common, some Orthodox do work together with Christians to
support Israel. My own husband has been involved with two different
groups that had Christian and Jews working together...my haredi
rabbi spoke at a gathering of one of these groups.

While other Jews may be leery (unfounded, I think) of working
with Christians, that does not mean they hate them.

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We must be more vocal, as Christians speaking to other Christians.... He has given us a weapon that we should be wielding for the Zionist cause in our churches.

Agreed.
Any support for Israel is appreciated.

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Speak up for Zionism, since so many who should, won't.

Agreed again.
Twice when I was in Israel I joined protests against giving up Yesha,
and even visited Gaza to support the people there shortly before the
land was given back. If the Israeli government would spend more of
their time fighting terrorists than they do scrutinizing us protestors, Israel
would be a much safer place.