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I read a book once about a Jewish women who was converting over to Christianity and ask her Rabi to explain to her Isaiah 53; he said no Jew reads {Isaiah 53.}  This is what I am talking about, even in their own Old Testament they refuse to listen to what the Bible is saying in Plain English. My dear Jewish friends listen to reason. Can anybody in this whole wide world ever fulfill all these prophecies? There is no possible way, maybe three even ten, but never over a hundred, that is impossible. When Yeshua entered into Jerusalem riding on a donkey the people shouted Hosanna! It is because they knew what the scripture says in (Zachariah9:9) this is another one he fulfilled Psalm22:18 When he was crucified   He fulfilled the prophecy that said they divided my garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots. Also in the same Psalm22:7, 8 {All those who see me laughed me to scorn; they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, "He trusted in the Lord, let Him rescue Him; Let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!''}  This is the very words they said to Him as He hung on the cross. Now this prophecy was written even before this form of execution ever existed. Also David Psalm22:14-18 shows that David predicted His suffering as it was written in the New Testament. Verse 14 {my strength has drained away like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart melts like wax; my strength has dried up like sun-baked clay; my tongue sticks to my mouth, for you have laid me in the dust of death. The enemy, this gang of evil men, circles me like a pack of dogs; they have pierced my hands and feet. I can count every bone in my body. See these men of evil gloat and stare; they divide my clothes among themselves by a toss of the dice.} Anna
I also heard they do not read daniel chapter 9 about the timing of the messiah because if you added it Jesus is the only one that fits this timing
Anna Wrote:

I read a book once about a Jewish women who was converting over to Christianity and ask her Rabi to explain to her Isaiah 53; he said no Jew reads {Isaiah 53.}  


I am not going to debate the whole moshiach thing here Smile
BUT-
The above statement is blatantly false. This is an untrue accusation
that has been around for years and years. Of course we read
Isaiah 53, as well as the entire Tanach. We do not interpret the
same as Christians, but we do read it.
I think the rumor we don't read it started because that section is not
read as part of the haftorah. But only a tiny fraction of the Tanach-
including Isaiah- is read in the haftorahs. The haftorah portions must
relate directly to the Torah portion read that week and the haftorah
portions were selected and fixed before the existence of Jesus.
So the whole thing about us not reading it is quite inaccurate.......
sugarman Wrote:

I also heard they do not read daniel chapter 9 about the timing of the messiah because if you added it Jesus is the only one that fits this timing


Again, untrue. We read all of the Tanach. We do not agree
with the Christian interpretation of Chapter 9, but I'm not here
to debate that issue here....
Sheitl Queen Wrote:

sugarman Wrote:

I also heard they do not read daniel chapter 9 about the timing of the messiah because if you added it Jesus is the only one that fits this timing


Again, untrue. We read all of the Tanach. We do not agree
with the Christian interpretation of Chapter 9, but I'm not here
to debate that issue here....


But do you read it objectively; or do you have your cohanim spoon-feed you their interpretations? Read the Tanakh as did Moses, David, Solomon, and others.
Sheitl Queen,
If you have read Isaiah 53 there is no doubt you see Jesus there. But how will you find out the whole story without having the Bible's New Testament. We know that Yeshua existed He is History. We know He has a life and the New Testament will tell you about it. Now do not be afraid, go buy a New testament-- New King James and start to read about who Yeshua-Jesus was and is; Than compare it to the Torah! Throughout the whole Bible you will Find Him there. Yes Jesus is from Genesis, Malachi, to Revelation. Ask Yahweh to open your eyes and you will find the truth about your Messiah. May our Lord be with you. Anna



Sheitl Queen Wrote:

Anna Wrote:

I read a book once about a Jewish women who was converting over to Christianity and ask her Rabi to explain to her Isaiah 53; he said no Jew reads {Isaiah 53.}  


I am not going to debate the whole moshiach thing here Smile
BUT-
The above statement is blatantly false. This is an untrue accusation
that has been around for years and years. Of course we read
Isaiah 53, as well as the entire Tanach. We do not interpret the
same as Christians, but we do read it.
I think the rumor we don't read it started because that section is not
read as part of the haftorah. But only a tiny fraction of the Tanach-
including Isaiah- is read in the haftorahs. The haftorah portions must
relate directly to the Torah portion read that week and the haftorah
portions were selected and fixed before the existence of Jesus.
So the whole thing about us not reading it is quite inaccurate.......


I have heard that many Jewish people interpret Isaiah 53 to describe the suffering of the Israeli people past and present. I believe this is one of several correct interpretations. When you think of the suffering they have gone through for 4000 years... People have tried to wipe out the whole race, starting with Pharoah killing all the baby boys, and more recently the Holocaust, and now the Muslims...it is only through God's grace that they have survived. In fact, it is a miracle. Thank God for Israel! His picture nation, the nation He has and is using to show the world what He is like.Smile
Lee1000 Wrote:

Sheitl Queen,
If you have read Isaiah 53 there is no doubt you see Jesus there.


Actually, I do not see him there, and am amazed that
Christians do  
But I did not want to side track the thread into that debate- it's
been done to death elsewhere on the forum-but just simply
wanted to point out that of course we read all of Isaiah...
Sheitl Queen Wrote:



Actually, I do not see him there, and am amazed that
Christians do  
But I did not want to side track the thread into that debate- it's
been done to death elsewhere on the forum-but just simply
wanted to point out that of course we read all of Isaiah...


I can read something, and you can read the same thing; and only one of us may be reading it for what it is. You, Chava, are reading Isaiah 53 in a Talmudist, subjective, relative way; whereas Lee1000 and others read Isaiah 53 objectively.
menorot Wrote:

Sheitl Queen Wrote:

Anna Wrote:

I read a book once about a Jewish women who was converting over to Christianity and ask her Rabi to explain to her Isaiah 53; he said no Jew reads {Isaiah 53.}  


I am not going to debate the whole moshiach thing here Smile
BUT-
The above statement is blatantly false. This is an untrue accusation
that has been around for years and years. Of course we read
Isaiah 53, as well as the entire Tanach. We do not interpret the
same as Christians, but we do read it.
I think the rumor we don't read it started because that section is not
read as part of the haftorah. But only a tiny fraction of the Tanach-
including Isaiah- is read in the haftorahs. The haftorah portions must
relate directly to the Torah portion read that week and the haftorah
portions were selected and fixed before the existence of Jesus.
So the whole thing about us not reading it is quite inaccurate.......


I have heard that many Jewish people interpret Isaiah 53 to describe the suffering of the Israeli people past and present. I believe this is one of several correct interpretations. When you think of the suffering they have gone through for 4000 years... People have tried to wipe out the whole race, starting with Pharoah killing all the baby boys, and more recently the Holocaust, and now the Muslims...it is only through God's grace that they have survived. In fact, it is a miracle. Thank God for Israel! His picture nation, the nation He has and is using to show the world what He is like.Smile



they have but I do not believe it about israel



9And they assigned Him a grave with the wicked, and with a rich man in His death, although He had done no violence, neither was any deceit in His mouth.(


This kndof makes me question that its about israel.   it has a long past of deceit going against God etc..... and it had done violence also.


I mean that the way i see it
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