I notice that just as there were 12 tribes, there were 12 apostles.
Is there a connection between the two, that the numbers would be
the same? Or is it a coincidence?
Is there a significance to the number of apostles being 12?
Just wondering....
Hi! Ms. Sheitl Queen,
I have thought on this for almost 2 or three days. It just might be that the average fishing vessel fitted for the Sea of Galilee, is adequately manned by 12 or thirteen men.
The Sea of Galilee is real big compared to a little boat. The world is huge
population wise comparitively with Israel.
Jerusalem had twelve gates too.
Then again G_d's ways are sometimes way past man's intelligence or capacity to understand.
Shalom and many blessings 2 u.
Sheitl Queen,
A very distinct connection can be seen in the book of Revelation (last book of the NT), chapter 21. (This chapter tells of life after chapter 20, when the devil is cast into the lake of fire to be tormented forever, and the great white throne judgment where the dead, small and great, stand before God to be judged according to their works.) There is the new heaven and the new earth, and the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven: "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." One should read this entire chapter, but more on point:
In his description of the city, John the apostle writes:
that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
The order of the gates seems to suggest the order in which Israel camped about the tabernacle in the wilderness. This new Jerusalem has no temple in it, for God is there dwelling with man. The bride (church) serves as the Levites did in the tabernacle. Israel on earth will enjoy the same relationship to the city that Israel did toward the tabernacle and later the temple. The new Jerusalem will be a tabernacle to Israel. Israel will be among the multitudes who will come into this city to worship in eternity. But as Israel did not dwell in the tabernacle but returned to their tents, so will Israel return home from the new Jerusalem to earth. But the bride (the church, comprised of Jews and gentiles since Christ to the rapture) will dwell and serve therein.
The twelve foundations with the names of the apostles are what Paul in Ephesians 2:20 described believers as being "built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone". When Christ ascended after His resurrection, He committed, on the human level, the church into the hands of these twelve apostles. To them were committed the writings of the church, they preached the first sermons, organized the first churches, and were among the first to shed blood as martyrs (witnesses).
God bless.
Sheitl Queen,
A very distinct connection can be seen in the book of Revelation (last book of the NT), chapter 21. (This chapter tells of life after chapter 20, when the devil is cast into the lake of fire to be tormented forever, and the great white throne judgment where the dead, small and great, stand before God to be judged according to their works.) There is the new heaven and the new earth, and the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven: "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." One should read this entire chapter, but more on point:
In his description of the city, John the apostle writes:
that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
The order of the gates seems to suggest the order in which Israel camped about the tabernacle in the wilderness. This new Jerusalem has no temple in it, for God is there dwelling with man. The bride (church) serves as the Levites did in the tabernacle. Israel on earth will enjoy the same relationship to the city that Israel did toward the tabernacle and later the temple. The new Jerusalem will be a tabernacle to Israel. Israel will be among the multitudes who will come into this city to worship in eternity. But as Israel did not dwell in the tabernacle but returned to their tents, so will Israel return home from the new Jerusalem to earth. But the bride (the church, comprised of Jews and gentiles since Christ to the rapture) will dwell and serve therein.
The twelve foundations with the names of the apostles are what Paul in Ephesians 2:20 described believers as being "built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone". When Christ ascended after His resurrection, He committed, on the human level, the church into the hands of these twelve apostles. To them were committed the writings of the church, they preached the first sermons, organized the first churches, and were among the first to shed blood as martyrs (witnesses).
God bless.
There is the new heaven and the new earth, and the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven: "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. One should read this entire chapter, but more on point:
In his description of the city, John the apostle writes:
that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
The order of the gates seems to suggest the order in which Israel camped about the tabernacle in the wilderness.
Pray where do you see these listed in any order so to make this assumption?
Ruth
This new Jerusalem has no temple in it, for God is there dwelling with man.
The word in Rev.21 verse 22 means Holy of Holies. It is not the same word as in Acts 21:26.
Ruth
The bride (church) serves as the Levites did in the tabernacle. Israel on earth will enjoy the same relationship to the city that Israel did toward the tabernacle and later the temple.
The bride is not the church.
Israel will become the israel God intended her to be, His Holy Priesthood to the nations.
Ruth
The new Jerusalem will be a tabernacle to Israel. Israel will be among the multitudes who will come into this city to worship in eternity. But as Israel did not dwell in the tabernacle but returned to their tents, so will Israel return home from the new Jerusalem to earth.
The new Jerusalem is on the New earth.
Israel will dwell in Jerusalem and the land of Israel just as Ezekial 47-48 said.
The nations will come up from outside Israel to celebrate the Feasts as Zech.14 and Micah 2 said.
Ruth
But the bride (the church, comprised of Jews and gentiles since Christ to the rapture) will dwell and serve therein.
The bride is not the church. The only gentiles that will dwell in Israel are those believing gentiles who have born children in the land of Israel (Ezek. 48).
Ruth
ruthrush, responding to your post #5:
Okay, you disagree with my answer to Sheitl Queen. Do you have an answer to her question about 12 tribes and 12 apostles? Please address your answer to Sheitl Queen; it was her question and a very good one at that.
ruthrush, responding to your post #5:
Okay, you disagree with my answer to Sheitl Queen. Do you have an answer to her question about 12 tribes and 12 apostles? Please address your answer to Sheitl Queen; it was her question and a very good one at that.
I have no idea.
Ruth
Sheitl Queen,
and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
does this imply that each of the 12 apostles came from a different tribe, ie
that each apostle is a representative of a tribe?
Hi! Ms. Sheitl Queen,
Shalom and many blessings 2 u.
Thanks for the resonse; and blessings to you to!
Sheitl Queen,
and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
does this imply that each of the 12 apostles came from a different tribe, ie
that each apostle is a representative of a tribe?
I would like to look further into that, I am not sure. References from the gospels (see the links) indicate them as being "son of" or "brother of." Paul the apostle identified himself as from the tribe of Benjamin. (Paul's missionary companion Barnabas is identified in the book of Acts as a Levite, but Barnabas is not one of the twelve.)
Jesus choosing His disciples - Matthew 10:2-4; Mark 3:14-19; Luke 6:13-16; John 1:35-50; Acts 9:1-16
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...version=9;
(Note that in Acts 1:13-26, the disciples act to replace Judas the betrayer, and Matthias, an apparent witness to the resurrection, is chosen, but it seems that Paul is more likely the Lord's choice for replacement, given his commission in Acts 9.)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...version=9;
Jesus indicated the future career of His 12 disciples in the Kingdom:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...version=9;
God bless.