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I was in the Armstrong religion for eight years, from 1971 to  1979.

There is no such thing as "Armstrong religion," except to those who shamefully reject the plain truth of the Bible, the biblical religion, and vainly seek to justify their sins and their accursed return to traditional vomit.

Regardless, the plain truth of the Bible that Herbert  W. Armstrong faithfully taught, such as "the meek shall inherit the Earth," the wicked will be destroyed, not tortured forever, New Jerusalem with its streets of gold and pearly gates is coming down from Heaven to Earth, etc. remains true and those who oppose it are liars (1 John 2:4).

When we stand before the judgment seat of Jesus Christ, He won't ask us about the real or imagined sins and faults of His servant Herbert W. Armstrong, but will focus on what we,  as individuals, did with the truth God gave us.

Born Again  and Heaven and Hell

The Plain Truth  About Easter

Why I  No Longer Celebrate Christmas

From your site:


Christ was always divine, there was no "transformation" that made Him divine.


  

It is true that Christ will not ask us what we thought of Armstrong.  He will know what we did with the truth, and that will determine whether He knows us.  That is why we can know today that no one need be afraid of Armstrong or any other of the cults who deny the truth.  Among Armstrong's errors are the claims that Christ did not rise bodily from the dead, and the denial of the eternal, conscious torment of the lost, instead teaching annihilation.

It matters what we believe; and it is well established that Armstrong is among many who preach another gospel, a false Christ.  Each one must examine this for themselves.  Don't be fooled by someone who earnestly wants to be your friend, only to find he's led you away from the only One who is the Light of the world.

http://forums.jewsforjesus.org/showthread.php?tid=978

Yes, when the Preexistent Word who became Yeshua was in Heaven, He was divine. On Earth He clearly taught He was the Son of MAN (human) and prayed to be restored to his divine glory with the Father. Flesh and blood doesn't inherit the Kingdom of God. He was flesh and blood until His transformation that restored Him to His Father and Kingdom-Family of God.

Please show me the verse where Jesus prayed to be "restored" to to His divine glory.




He was God, clothed in flesh.

It is true He portrayed Himself as the son of man however, the Son of God, also.


Those Jews clearly understood that He was claiming to be divine.

Herbert W. Armstrong NEVER taught that, despite how many times careless or dishonest individuals repeat it. If you choose to disagree with the plain truth of the Bible he taught, disagree with it. You don't have to make up all sorts of ridiculous things.




Yes, Herbert Armstrong faithfully taught that God isn't the sadist traditional "Christians" make Him out to be, but will grant eternal life to those who've truly accepted His Son and the rest will perish - just like the Bible teaches.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word [who became Yeshua], and the Word was with God [who became the Father], and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him [Yeshua], and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

He divested Himself of His divine glory and became the SON OF MAN. As the Son of Man, Yeshua had the glory of representing God the Father, sharing His good news with us.

He then prayed for God the Father to restore Him to His glorious divine state with Him in Heaven.

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

This is hardly ridiculous.  Armstrong's emphasis was that "the resurrected body was no longer human".  This is the same as saying that Christ the God-man did not rise bodily from the dead.  See the link below (a preview of a book on cults) which, if you scroll down a little in the sample, you will see a brief quote from Armstrong's Why Christ Died And Rose Again, from The Plain Truth, April 1963, p.10.  Armstrong had a far different view of who Christ is, and so virtually everything Armstrongism asserts about Christ contradicts the gospel account of the virgin born, crucified and bodily risen Christ.
http://books.google.com/books?id=5c49znx...&hl=en
However, if you can reference any available writing of Armstrong where he clearly indicates a change of mind, I would be ready to admit an error in my claim.

He may have faithfully taught this, but it is error most foul:  
Daniel 12:2
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...version=9;
Mark 9:42-48
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...version=9;
Revelation 14:11
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...version=9;
Armstrongism is not the only one that teaches annihilation; Jehovah's Witnesses and 7th Day Adventists also teach it.  But it is error.  And such errors about the person and work of Christ and the future of the lost ought not to be propagated upon the very people you meant to bless.

No, it is not. You're reading YOUR ideas into what he said, and you're wrong. Yeshua was raised bodily and later transformed - just like we shall be, as He was the Firstborn of many brethren - born again by a resurrection from the dead.



What is worse than foul, is that some shamefully prefer to continue to misrepresent Yeshua and God as sadists, rather than know and believe the Bible that teaches TOUGH LOVE: the unrepentant will be burnt up, be reduced to ashes under the soles of our feet, and return to the dust as if they had never existed.

God is most merciful and kind and only imparts eternal life to those who have truly received His Son. Eternal life is a GIFT from God. I doubt any would consider eternal life in torment, like pagans teach, a gift.

Born Again and Heaven and Hell

Lazarus and the Rich Man

I don't believe in the pagan myths about Hell, but I do believe what the Bible teaches about it.

Is There a Hell?

Hell - Man's Idea vs. the Bible

To Hell and Back

Are you sure this isn't ARMSTRONG's ideas--"raised bodily and later transformed"?  See the link below (a preview of a book on cults) which, if you scroll down a little in the sample, you will see a brief quote from Armstrong's Why Christ Died And Rose Again, from The Plain Truth, April 1963, p.10.  Armstrong had a far different view of who Christ is, and so virtually everything Armstrongism asserts about Christ contradicts the gospel account of the virgin born, crucified and bodily risen Christ.
http://books.google.com/books?id=5c49znx...&hl=en
However, if you can reference any available writing of Armstrong where he clearly indicates a change of mind, I would be ready to admit an error in my claim.

Yet the shame you purport to pronounce is directed towards God.  The only God who could judge and punish Satan and his angels and lost mankind is the One who prepared hell for the devil and his angels, and that is where the lost will also be forever, in conscious torment, according to the words of Daniel, Jesus, and the writings of John in Revelation, as shown before.  You see, the greatness of the punishment must be according to the greatness of the One sinned against.  Think about it.  That is why Jesus came:  He is the God-man--Son of God, Son of man, Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification (Romans 4:25).  When He ascended, He was received into heaven as the God-man, taking His place at the right hand of the Father, until His enemies are made His footstool.  For we place our faith in Christ, Who is both our righteousness (person) and work (redemption) before God.  To say as Armstrong does that the blood does not save is to fail to see Christ, His person and work.  Only those who reject Christ's person (as the God-man) and work (His shed blood) reject the reality of eternal, conscious punishment in hell.