1. where does scripture support of praying to saints dead people?
2. why do I see images of jesus mary etc.... and seeing people bowling down and kissing them?
3. where is Puragtary scripture at?
4. where does the bible say Mary was sinless? mary said with her own words oh God my savior! why would she need a savior if she had no sin?
5. why did the catholic church make the stament salvation only comes through being catholic?
6. where does scripture teach man has the authoity to forgive sin as you think catholic fathers do?
7. where does scripture say Mary assended up with Jesus when Jesus left the earth?
is this scripture or pure made up tradition?
4. where does the bible say Mary was sinless? mary said with her own words oh God my savior! why would she need a savior if she had no sin?
Could you give us the Book...scripture and verse where Mary said quote"oh God my saviour"unquote....cuz I can't find it anywhere in scripture....and if it isn't there you are weakening your argument with David the RC one.....
As for the other points we agree,,,they don't exist except for point 6
6. where does scripture teach man has the authoity to forgive sin as you think catholic fathers do?
the scripture they base that on is James:
Jam 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
they skip the second part of that scripture.
4. where does the bible say Mary was sinless? mary said with her own words oh God my savior! why would she need a savior if she had no sin?
Could you give us the Book...scripture and verse where Mary said quote "oh God my saviour" unquote....cuz I can't find it anywhere in scripture
It is the commencement of
The Magnificat ......
"And Mary said, "My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour ." (Luke 1:46-47)
DavidJ
4. where does the bible say Mary was sinless? mary said with her own words oh God my savior! why would she need a savior if she had no sin?
Could you give us the Book...scripture and verse where Mary said quote "oh God my saviour" unquote....cuz I can't find it anywhere in scripture
It is the commencement of
The Magnificat ......
"And Mary said, "My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour ." (Luke 1:46-47)
DavidJ
I stand corrected...I missed that one...as to the rest I agree with Sugarman....did I actually say that?...will wonders never cease...
1. where does scripture support of praying to saints dead people?
It doesn't. But neither do Roman Catholics (in the sense that Protestants mean). They support asking saints to intercede (i.e. pray) for you based on Hebrews where it says, "Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses." In their thinking, since the saints who have gone before are alive before God, and are witnessing our struggles (not in earth time), then they hear our requests for intercession as well, and can do so effectively.
Not so clear that a Protestant is compelled to concur, but certainly not in contradiction to Scripture.
2. why do I see images of jesus mary etc.... and seeing people bowling down and kissing them?
This is rather hair-splitting, but Roman Catholics recognize three levels of adoration:
- cultus latriae - the worship and adoration due to God alone
- cultus hyperdulia - the special veneration due to Mary
- cultus duliae - the veneration due to saints and angels
In addition, there is veneration due to earthly kings and officials.
If you go to other countries, you are likely to be embarrassed by bowing and kissing not related to religion. Total strangers will greet you with a kiss! The Bible exhorts us to "greet one another with a holy kiss" - which needs to be culturally moderated! Those of us of British extraction have a hard time with all this kissing.
3. where is Purgatory scripture at?
The same place as the scripture for Glorification (Baptist) or "final purification" (Bible Church). Here is what Millard J. Erickson, a Baptist, says in
"Christian Theology",
...This (regeneration), however, is merely the beginning of the spiritual life. There also is a progressive alteration of the individual's spiritual condition; one actually becomes holier. This progressive subjective change is referred to as sanctification ("making holy"). Sanctification finally comes to completion in the life beyond death, when the spiritual nature of the believer will be perfected. This is termed glorification.
One scripture would be
1 Co 6:9-10. The word "purgatory" is a "boogie man" word. People react irrationally to the word without considering what it actually means. Yes, this mean all Protestants believe in "purgatory", they just use different words for it.
4. where does the bible say Mary was sinless? mary said with her own words oh God my savior! why would she need a savior if she had no sin?
This is another example of Roman Catholic hair-splitting. The doctrine of Immaculate Conception (one of those rare ex-cathedra decrees) says that Mary was miraculously preserved from actual sin, but still subject to original sin, and thus in need of a Saviour (i.e. could not maintain that sinlessness on her own).
Protestants agree that actual righteousness increases as we are sanctified by God's grace. Catholics believe that some people, saints and martyrs, achieve full sanctification in this life. The "Holiness" branches of Protestant churches (Nazarenes, for example) believe that achieving full sanctification in this life is the expected norm. Recall that baptism regenerates infants as well as adults. Recall further that regeneration can occur without actual water baptism given unusual circumstances and the desire for baptism. The Immaculate Conception says that Mary was not only regenerated before birth by grace, but achieved full sanctification before birth. As a result, there was never any actual sin in her life.
There is no Scripture for this. But if you split the hairs just right, it doesn't contradict Scripture either.
5. why did the catholic church make the statement salvation only comes through being catholic?
More accurately, why did the Catholic Church say that fullness of salvation comes only through becoming Catholic. In their view, Protestants are missing out on a lot of Grace that could help them in their journey. Protestants might make it to heaven provided they are
invincibly ignorant. I address this point more fully in
The Gospel of Desire.
6. where does scripture teach man has the authoity to forgive sin as you think catholic fathers do?
John 20:22-23.