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I would not say they are not the chosen no more. First The jews did not kill Jesus. Jesus said I give my life no one takes it I have the power to lay it dow  again or to raise it up.  God haves alot in mind for the jews in The last days tribulation etc..  Some jews will be saved
Thanks. (Just so you know, I wasn’t asking because I wanted to change, but because someone's post mentioned it.) Smile
RomanCatholic87 Wrote:

^ LMAO  there's absolutely nothing special about the Jewish people that makes them better than anyone else, The Bible was written by PEOPLE not God, it's quite convenient that God is so powerful yet wants Jews to kill the Phillistines and Canaanites, and conveniently every loss is "God's punishment". if God really had "chosen people" than he wouldn't allow the Jews to become some of the weakest people in history. The perfect example is  the Holocaust, if God cares so much than why didn't He stop it?? Why did God let 6 million Jews die, but saves them from Egypt by moving water??? You mean that eh couldn't eliminate the Nazis like Sodom and Gomorrah??  Why didn't God stop Hamas or Hizballah??  


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roman catholic first ask any true christian they eould say God lead some people to write the bible. All scripture is God breath The bible says. So mine understand God lead over 40 diff authors to write it.  The jews are still chosen God haves a reason to let things happen. if you underdtand prophecy you know why god is leting the jews or any other suffer. Daniel and revelation is a clear picture why. also there are alot of christiasn being killed does that mean God does not love us? Christians suffer to read history I read story that happe pass hundred of years of bloody attacks on christians and many died horrible like cuting body parts off  etc.. Does that  mean we not grated in The kingdom of God no more? no.  Jesus told us to be ready to suffer etc.. for his name.
RomanCatholic87 wrote:
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if God really had "chosen people" than he wouldn't allow the Jews to become some of the weakest people in history.



If they were so weak, how did they survive as the remnant they are from Abrahams day till this very day? God is a bit more able to preserve them than you might imagine.

I have "battled" in another forum with Roman-Greek replacement theologians. I have yet to see any accept God as still loving the Jewish people. It becomes very frustrating to point to the truth and see it rejected over and over and over and over.

There is a sad conclusion to the matter: Anti "semitism", which is Satan's hatred is not yet eradicated friom the earth, as it will be. It is wishful thinking to say that the Tenach's fullfilled prophecys of the Messiah, Yeshua (Jesus) are of God and not also the yet unfullfilled.

I am persuaded that the muslim world think as a Satanic deception, that if they eradicated the Jews that they defeat the return of Christ. There are many powerful prophecys which show the Faithful remnant of Abraham's seed a victorious people in their God: ETERNALLY. You can count on it happening! And I rejoice in it because it is God, IT IS GOD. It is His Will His way, and His destiny to fullfill every blessed promise He has made in the Tenach !!! And all His other promises there too.

Prepare to meet your God, your Maker.
"Horned God  Represents the horned god of witchcraft. Pan or Cernunnos. Note the thumb under the fingers and given by the right hand."

To Dave aka lambsev;

In your picture the thumb is extended and not under the fingers. What does thet signify?


"Man learns from history only that he learns nothing from history!"


RA
they are jews in the sense that satanist are satanist.

its mostly for attention Smile im gonna get some angry responses to this one.

oh and sugarman in reguards to your first post. no.
RayBurghen Wrote:

"Horned God  Represents the horned god of witchcraft. Pan or Cernunnos. Note the thumb under the fingers and given by the right hand."

To Dave aka lambsev;

In your picture the thumb is extended and not under the fingers. What does thet signify?


"Man learns from history only that he learns nothing from history!"


RA



I have been charged with this before on another forum. The sign with the thumb extended is a universal hand sign for the deaf meaning "I love you".  If you now find it offensive, please say so and I will take it down.
RomanCatholic87 Wrote:

^ LMAO  there's absolutely nothing special about the Jewish people that makes them better than anyone else,


Hi RomanCatholic87,

If you accept the Bible as God's inspired word to man, you should also accept that the Jews are indeed a chosen people and will remain so--God's word cannot be broken.

For you (The Children of Israel) are a people holy to the LORD your God.
The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
Deuteronomy 7:6

And: (God speaking to Moses) "you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel."
Exodus 19:6


You misunderstand what, "chosen" means--as you say, it does not mean, "better".  But they, the Jews, are set apart as, "holy".

In fact in one sense, "holy" does mean--set apart.


Here's an illustration:
Your toothbrush is "holy", in that it is set apart from all other brushes in your household to be permitted in your mouth.

No other brush in the house; the hair brush, the dish-washing brush, the pet-grooming brush, the BBQ grill-cleaning brush, the toilet brush--is allowed in this intimate place.  The toothbrush is not, "better" than the other brushes--all of them are needed for their different duties, but the toothbrush has a special--a chosen duty that is not suitable for any of the other brushes.


So what is this chosenness of the Jews?
Does chosen mean they will be a conquering, or undefeatable, or a protected-from-every-harm nation?
History shows us this hasn't been the case.

"Chosen", can't mean this, for as you say:
RomanCatholic87 Wrote:

if God really had "chosen people" than he wouldn't allow the Jews to become some of the weakest people in history.

In fact their weakness was recognized by Moses when God did choose them:
The LORD did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples.
Deuteronomy 7:7

So just as a toothbrush is not the biggest, most powerful, or greatest brush in the house, but still it retains its special, "chosen" purpose, the Jews, despite not being the greatest, biggest, etc., nation, retain their chosen place in God's eye.



And still doubt remains because of the Jews' outrageous sufferings:
RomanCatholic87 Wrote:

if God really had "chosen people" than he wouldn't allow the Jews to become some of the weakest people in history.
The perfect example is the Holocaust, if God cares so much than why didn't He stop it?? Why did God let 6 million Jews die...?



But no suffering of the Jews nullifies their place as God's chosen people.

But Zion (Israel) said, "The LORD has forsaken me, my Lord has forgotten me."
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(But God answers)  "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should have no compassion on the son of her womb? Even these may forget, yet I will not forget you. Isaiah 49:14


So again, What does it mean for the Jews to be chosen?

They are, "a kingdom of priests, a holy nation."

So what to priests do?
Priests intercede between the people and God.
Priests teach people about God--what he is like, what God says is right and wrong behavior and right and wrong thought.
Priests lead the people in worship.

Since Sinai, the Jews have been a beacon of light to a dark world that had forgotten the true living God by practicing all manner of paganism.

Man has sought God through; Sun, Moon, star worship, Ancestor worship, Nature worship, River worship, Worshipping creations of his own mind--characters  made from his own imagination--"gods", or he has worshiped his own abilities, his own mind, declaring himself, that man is the only definer and limiter of his existence. Man can decide for himself what is  right or wrong without any input from "god".

But God does have absolutes--right and wrong, good and evil.

Faithful Jews throughout history, and still today, have been teaching God's commandments through discussion and through example.

The moral law of God still stands for all--it begins with the 10 commandments and continues through the ordinances of how to treat your neighbors--the ultimate being; "you shall love your neighbor as yourself". Leviticus 19:18

The non-moral laws, laws concerning dietary restrictions, beard trimming, clothing, abstinence from tattoos etc. were to set the Jews apart, to insure they would not blend in with the other nations. They are to give offense, to give the surrounding nations cause to question the Jews as to why they are different.  Because when gentiles inquire about the exterior differences they might be instructed as to the interior differences--the righteous expectations God has for all his people, Jews and Gentiles.


What Jews who do not recognize Jesus as Messiah do not realize, is that believers in the Jewish Messiah, Christ, who obey his commandments, are also considered by God to be "chosen".

For he is not a real Jew who is one outwardly, nor is true circumcision something external and physical. Romans 2:28
Circumcision is being in covenant (a legal binding agreement) with God--I will believe in God, trust him, love him--obey his commandments, he will be my God, he will bless me and protect me and raise me up to be with him after this life is over.

And: He is a Jew who is one inwardly, and real circumcision is a matter of the heart, spiritual and not literal. His praise is not from men but from God. Romans 2:29

So Paul teaches that even gentile believers in Christ are to be considered "real" Jews--those having covenant with God. As such they share in this royal priesthood. By not indulging in the sins of this world, they set themselves apart--and give offense to those without covenant with God. This is so unbelievers and the ignorant can raise questions and thus be instructed about God's grace to all who believe.


RC 87:

"Jews are not chosen people anymore, it all changed when Jesus got crucified, that's what Jesus means by his vineyard proverb"


It should be noted that G-D NEVER called his children "Christian." This was a derogatory name given at Antioch. Even brother Paul said, "if I have to suffer as a "Christian..."
The truth is G-D called his children ISRAEL!
Isaac's son Jacob wrestled with an Angel, and G-D changed his name to Israel. God's promises were made first to Father Abraham, then to Isaac, and confirmed in Jacob.

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED, as it is written:

"The deliverer will come from Zion;
   he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
And this is my covenant with them
   when I take away their sins."

  As far as the Gospel is concerned , they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the Patriarchs, for G-D's gifts and his call are irrevocable.
Just as you who were at one time disobedient to G-D have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they to have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of G-D's mercy to you.
For G-D has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.  RO 11:25-32

It is my ernest request that people stop haggling over names or titles and receive your true designation, ISRAEL.  



   "Man learns from history only that he learns nothing from history."

    RA

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