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Were the following men actually Messianic Jewish men?

Francisco De Goya
Felix Mendelssohn
Mikhail Mikhailovich Ippolitof-Ivanof

There are others who I could also list; but Goya and Ivanof have names that seem or are Jewish or close to Yiddish or Hebrew surnames (i.e., "Goya", "goy", "goyah", "goyeh; -"of", very Jewish suffix).

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

Were the following men actually Messianic Jewish men?

[*]Felix Mendelssohn

No.

"Abraham sought to renounce the Jewish religion; his children were first brought up without religious education, and were baptised as Lutherans in 1816 (at which time Felix took the additional names Jakob Ludwig). (Abraham and his wife were not themselves baptised until 1822.) The name Bartholdy was assumed at the suggestion of Lea's brother, Jakob, who had purchased a property of this name and adopted it as his own surname. Abraham was later to explain this decision in a letter to Felix as a means of showing a decisive break with the traditions of his father Moses: 'There can no more be a Christian Mendelssohn than there can be a Jewish Confucius'. Although Felix continued to sign his letters as 'Mendelssohn Bartholdy' in obedience to his father's injunctions, he seems not to have objected to the use of 'Mendelssohn' alone."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Mendelssohn

Chatzkel Wrote:

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

Were the following men actually Messianic Jewish men?

[*]Felix Mendelssohn

No.

"Abraham sought to renounce the Jewish religion; his children were first brought up without religious education, and were baptised as Lutherans in 1816 (at which time Felix took the additional names Jakob Ludwig). (Abraham and his wife were not themselves baptised until 1822.) The name Bartholdy was assumed at the suggestion of Lea's brother, Jakob, who had purchased a property of this name and adopted it as his own surname. Abraham was later to explain this decision in a letter to Felix as a means of showing a decisive break with the traditions of his father Moses: 'There can no more be a Christian Mendelssohn than there can be a Jewish Confucius'. Although Felix continued to sign his letters as 'Mendelssohn Bartholdy' in obedience to his father's injunctions, he seems not to have objected to the use of 'Mendelssohn' alone."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Mendelssohn

Abraham Mendelssohn missed the point: There are both Jewish Confucions and Jewish Christians. Also, I asked about Felix, not Abraham, Mendelssohn.

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

Also, I asked about Felix, not Abraham, Mendelssohn.

Abraham Mendelssohn was the one who had his son Felix baptized into the Lutheran Church.

In case you still don't get it, than means Felix was a Lutheran, not a "Messianic Jew"...

Chatzkel Wrote:

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

Also, I asked about Felix, not Abraham, Mendelssohn.

Abraham Mendelssohn was the one who had his son Felix baptized into the Lutheran Church.

In case you still don't get it, than means Felix was a Lutheran, not a "Messianic Jew"...

"Messianic" just means "Christian"; or as Dr. Jordan Rubin put it, a Messianic Jewish person is one, regardless of their denominational affiliation, who believes that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah of Israel and the Light to the gentiles.

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

"Messianic" just means "Christian"; or as Dr. Jordan Rubin put it, a Messianic Jewish person is one, regardless of their denominational affiliation, who believes that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah of Israel and the Light to the gentiles.

Then why didn't you just ask if they were Christians?? I honestly can't read about half of what you write.