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Hi, Im a Christian and would like to know from those of you here who believe that Jesus is the Messiah what they think of Jesus saying God has made a "new" covenant with man and when He died on the cross the veil of the temple was split in two.
The New Covenant is a prophesy from the Old Testament.

Jeremiah 31:31 Wrote:

31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD. 33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

Old Testament teaching always had in it the provision of God for us through Messiah even from the day Adam and Eve first sinned.

Shalom!
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new does not replace old - it is an upgrade to the old operating system: new firewall, better antivirus protection, and greater security.  It's a supplement, not a replacement.

Yeshua also said He did not come to make the Torah void but to fulfill it.  Most mainstreamers quote the parts they like while ignoring the rest (or they are just parotting the parts they heard without even knowing the rest)

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Nancy Wrote:

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new does not replace old - it is an upgrade to the old operating system: new firewall, better antivirus protection, and greater security.  It's a supplement, not a replacement.

Yeshua also said He did not come to make the Torah void but to fulfill it.  Most mainstreamers quote the parts they like while ignoring the rest (or they are just parotting the parts they heard without even knowing the rest)

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Nancy Wrote:

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new does not replace old - it is an upgrade to the old operating system: new firewall, better antivirus protection, and greater security.  It's a supplement, not a replacement.

Yeshua also said He did not come to make the Torah void but to fulfill it.  Most mainstreamers quote the parts they like while ignoring the rest (or they are just parotting the parts they heard without even knowing the rest)

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I disagree because in Zechariah 11:10 God said He would break the Covenant. It was nothing to do with the Written Torah.
Prophecy of the breaking of the Old and making of the New Covenant
First of all a Covenant from God can be broken. God makes promises within a Covenant and knows what is to happen even before He makes it because He knows the future. Ge:3:3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. God made the Covenant with Adam and the promise was life, the penalty for disobedience to the commandment was death which is another promise. God's promise was kept and God's covenant with Adam was broken. Adam and Eve died!
God made the Covenant through Moses and knew what was to happen even before He made it because He knows the future. In fact Israel broke it immediately but Moses prayed for them not to be destroyed therefore grace was shown from God the one staff called Beauty (graciousness). Many times Israel disobeyed God but God's staff of Beauty was used and not all the people were destroyed as He was going to do before Moses prayed for them. The staff of Bands (union) was used even when Israel was carried away and brought back. But when God's Son Jesus was murdered the 2 staves were broken and the Covenant that God made with the Israelites through Moses was broken and replaced with the New Covenant. Israel was scattered amoungst the Gentile nations with no grace and no union. No Shepherd for unbelievers! God still loves Israel and He is going to bring them into the New Covenant, a remnant will be saved. They did not obey God's voice Jesus Christ the Lord and they broke His Covenant which was all of the Ten Commandments! Zec:11:7: And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock.
What does the above mean:
In verse 7 the Messiah Jesus took 2 staves. The one He called Beauty (graciousness) and the other He called Bands (union) and with these 2 staves Jesus shepherd all Israel and fed them the Word of God. The flock of slaughter is all of Israel as the Lord knew their hearts where un-believing and against Him.
M't:21:19: And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
M't:23:37: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
M't:23:38: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
M't:23:39:For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The poor of the flock were the people looked down upon by those who were self righteous. The poor of the flock knew His Words were God's Words but they too would be killed and scattered with the rest of Israel but Redeemed by His Blood.
Zec:11:8: Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.
The 3 shepherds are the leaders of the 3 sects who make their own laws, oppress the people (the Poor), teach falsely and don't know God, rejecting His Messiah. The Lord hated them and they continually tempted, and plotted against Him in their hatred for Him.
The Pharisees: From the very beginning of his ministry the Pharisees showed themselves bitter and persistent enemies of our Lord. They could not bear his doctrines, and they sought by every means to destroy his influence among the people.
The Sadducees: John the Baptist said "O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" (Matt. 3:7.) Thy tempted the Lord and He called them "hypocrites" and "a wicked and adulterous generation" (Matt. 16:1-4; 22:23).
The Essenes: a Jewish mystical sect somewhat resembling the Pharisees. Probably Kabala the ancient Hebrew mystical system of thought. (Ref: MHC)
Zec:11:9: Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.
The Messiah Jesus refused to commune with them nor have anything to do with them (His parables were not for them) as they rejected Him therefore they were to starve, die and even eat the flesh of their dead. Lu:21:20: And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Fulfilled in 70 A.D. when the Romans destroyed and scattered the Jews among the nations.
Zec:11:10: And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it assunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
The Messiah Jesus took His staff Beauty (graciousness) and broke it and grace was ended for all the people under the Covenant through Moses.
Zec:11:11: And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.
The poor of the flock are those who followed the Messiah. They recognized the Truth that the covenant made through Moses had been broken, completely annulled, and replaced by the New Covenant.(Ref. Dakes)
Zec:11:12: And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
God predicted the sale of the Messiah by apostate Israel for 30 pieces of silver. This was fulfilled by Judas and the leaders of Israel.
Zec:11:13: And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.
This predicted the use of the 30 pieces of silver to buy the potter's field to bury strangers in.
Zec:11:14: Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.
Then, after the resurrection of the Messiah, the abolishment of the Old Covenant, and the fulfillment of verse 1-23, He cut asunder the staff called Bands (Union). The meaning of this was that the united nation of Judah and Ephraim would be dispersed again (verse 14). It came to pass in 70 A.D.) when the 13 tribes were again scattered among the nations(Luke 21:20-24).(Ref. Dakes)
Zec:11:15: And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd. Zec:11:16: For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.
Zec:11:17: Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
The above is the Antichrist who is to come to Israel.
Jer:31:31: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with
the house of Judah:

God has made a New Covenant a New Testament.
M't:26:28: For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
new does not replace old - it is an upgrade to the old operating system: new firewall, better antivirus protection, and greater security.  It's a supplement, not a replacement.


wrong nancy!  sorry, but when one divorces, the relationship is over.

judah doesnt enjoy its special relationship anymore. i know that not what you want to hear if you are ethnic jew but it true fact.

" if they can break my covenant with the day, and break my covenant with the night so that night and day no longer come at their appointed times, then i can break my covenant which i made with all the people...."

actually, the covenantt which god made was his promise forever. but liken to marriage where we vow for life, when a bride becomes unfaithful by toral law, she can be divorced. that is what happened! god didnt break, the bride of isreal broke.

Ok, here are my thoughts...  You can find out more about my thoughts at http://www.perpetualmotion7.com under Covenants In Harmony.  If you read Jeremiah 31:31 along side Matthew 26:28 it is obvious that Yeshua is referring to this.  He is not saying that the Jewish people have been unfaithful and so He has divorced her.  He is not saying that the old laws were made obsolete.  What He says here is that despite the covenant breaking, the New Testament has offered forgiveness to the Jewish people and a powerful new way to keep the Torah through the Spirit.  The full intention of Yeshua is for the Jewish believers to head the church in proclaiming John 1:17 the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Yeshua Ha Machiach.  In other words the complete or Noachic Torah is impossible to keep without this grace.  Jeremiah 31 clearly states that the New Covenant was for the house of Israel and Judah and Luke 1:68 and Acts 1:8 reinforces that concept.  This was the case until Constantine and the other Roman Emperors ransacked Jerusalem and all but crushed the Jewish revival.  However, Luke 21:24 and Romans 11 explains that we are now living in the "time of the Gentiles".  That is why the Gentile church has flurished lately.  As a Gentile I am thankful for that.  However, I realize that as of 1967 the winds of change are blowing and the Jewish people will one day soon, once again, become the driving force that leads the world to the right hand of the LORD (Isaiah 53:1) Yeshua Ben Adonai.    
True faith, faith in the truth never changes. It has always been faith in the provision of God for us. It has always been the same faith in the same Messiah from the day Adam and Eve first sinned.

Shalom!
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