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"Annapolis" is to  blame.
By Ted Belman

Annapolis must be abrogated and the phasing, in the Roadmap,  must be returned to. No final status talks until the end of terrorism and  incitement.

In fact Annapolis caused an increase in deaths just as Camp  David negotiations did. When the peace process is dormant, and Israel is allowed  to operate, fewer people get killed.

A peace agreement can’t be force fed. The more one tries,  the more violence occurs. Until all parties want to make peace, there will be no  peace. This will only come about when Israel is allowed to defeat, totally, its  adversaries. As Daniel Pipes calls it, "utter defeat".

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I don't blame Annapolis (as it is merely a symptom of Israel's spiritual sickness), because Israel has only itself to blame. Why? They chose - in effect - to become an accessory to every Arab terrorist attack against innocent Jewish men, women, children, and babies in strollers...and even against Gentile kibbutz volunteers and tourists. Here's how...

Truth or consequences: Israeli leaders, and the Jewish people, rejected the preventive measures called for by Meir Kahane against such mass murder attacks that Jerusalem has suffered again; Israeli leaders, and the Jewish people, have failed to remove the threat clearly presented by their resident sworn enemies as the Law of Moses commands (Malachi 4:4) and treacherously chose the lying peace process instead, living a lie and dying because of it, suffering the curses for disobedience (Daniel 9:11).

Will the Israelis, will the Jews, repent and confess Kahane was right and act accordingly?

Israel's Betrayal of the Jews

Thoughts on Meir Kahane...

Israel's Only Way Out: Follow Kahane!

Regardless of who's to blame, you're being anti-Semitic.

You're being ridiculous. Was Yeshua being "anti-Semitic" when He spoke the plain truth? You clearly didn't even think your false accusation through, because if I were against Jews (who are part of the Semites), why would I be chastising them for their failure to listen to Meir Kahane? I am decrying that fact because it has resulted in more mass murder attacks against Jews.

Just received this from an astute Israeli friend re: Blame Jews for Jerusalem Massacre

You are precisely on target David.
The so called Oslo/Annapolis/Sharm "road maps" of sorts and a variety other named of occasion "peace process" is not something one has to suspend but something we must abrogate.  That whole cauldron is a sham.
A war has been declared against the Jewish Nation by the enemies, internal and external and in return we must ELECT a system and people that will adopt a "war process" until the enemies are utterly defeated.
One makes peace WITH DEFEATED ENEMIES, not with ENEMIES attacking our very lives to destroy us.

SHmuel

(Shmuel HaLevi is a Jew, Father, Grandfather, Husband, Teacher, "Gaucho", radio aficionado and Senior Engineer for the U.S. Department of Defense Avionic Programs who was worked on combat aircraft from the F-16 to the B-2 and from the F-15 to the F-117 to the A.V.-8 and A.H.-64, C-17, C.O.H.-58, C-130 and A.T.F. A (seldom used) Consultant for the Israeli Ministry of Defense, Mr. HaLevi is a U.S. D.o.D. Certified Trainer and Graduation Officer for the Israeli Ministry of Education, writer for the University of Tel Aviv Technology Center, Quality Assurance Engineer and patents holder. Presently, Mr. HaLevi serves as the Laboratory equipment technologist supporting key foreign equipment manufacturers. Mr. HaLevi is a veteran Likud Central committee member and founding member of Hashkem Yisrael).

I actually side with David on this one. And I don't think he is being anti-semitic.

If Israel had any sense, they would throw out their government and expel all gentiles. I, of course, say this as a gentile who loves Israel and the Jews. I am not anti-semitic, and I don't think David is either. In fact, I think David is being so pro-Jew that he offends. He doesn't offend me, though.

David is right: the Jews are complicit in their own destruction, just as we will be in our own when the Muslims we called moderates turn on us and use our laws against us.

I'm not sure I understand all of who Meir Kahane was and what he stood for. But Israel should be run by religious Jews--even if that means Christian persecution--without interference from a gentile population that seeks to destroy the Jewish nation from within or from without by a godless nation that seeks its own peace at the expense of its greatest ally.

Don't blame Annapolis: blame Bush and Rice and all the bureaucrats of America and Israel who read their Bibles but believe them not.

May Yeshua come quickly to save us all from ourselves, our disbelief, and our inaction.

The Ezekiel Option is coming together and soon the war that brings in the AC will start...the main players are making alliances with each other even as I type this note..
  Iran and Russia have a mutual assistance treaty
  Iran and Syria have a mutual assistance treaty
soon IEthiopia,Libya and a few other nations in the region will be signing  a mutual assistance treaty and the war of Gog and Magog will begin and G-d Himself will fight for Israel and destroy her enemies and also the U.S. which has always played the part of freind while acting against Israel...example during the Yom Kippur War they used a spy ship to give the Arabs intelligence to aid them against the Israelis until the Israielis strafed  said ship and threatened to sink it.
   The final 7 years prophesied by Danial are at hand...the Roman Empire is back...The Whore of Babylon is on the rise...all that is left is to reveal the man of sin.

"You're being ridiculous. Was Yeshua being "anti-Semitic" when He spoke the plain truth? You clearly didn't even think your false accusation through, because if I were against Jews (who are part of the Semites), why would I be chastising them for their failure to listen to Meir Kahane? I am decrying that fact because it has resulted in more mass murder attacks against Jews."


RE:
David,
I must say I changed the way I used to think about you after this post.

Hopefully for the better.

Of course for the better

There is no road map to peace because peace is not a place.  It is a bad analogy.

I agree with this except Ezekeil 47:22 says the answer is the palestinians become messianic.

Was it an act of terrorism, the killing of the 8?  Was there disgruntled employee stuff thrown in?  Normally terrorists don't know thier victems personally.

Maybe they didn't pay him or wouldn't pay a ticket they made him get and were about to forclose on his widow mother's house or something like that.

How did they let a weapons arsenal into Jerusalem?  There is something fishy about the story.  Did they let him get it thinking it would be an excuse to shoot him, not realizeing he would be smart enought to hide it in a box?

Is there a knee jerk reaction to call it pure terrorism here when all the facts are not in yet?