JFJ Forums - Who wrote the 5 Books of Moses?

prophet Wrote:

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

Prowler Wrote:

Also... this points to the fact that the Messiah is the true Promised Land since Moshe himself did not enter because of disobedience!

Hebrews 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honor than the house.

Blessed be the Name of Y'shua HaMashiach

So, Moses went to Gehenna or Hell?

Yes...but there was an area for those souls that served God but until Christ went to Hell to set the captives free everyone went into Hell...but now that all those that kept God's laws are no longer there Hell has expanded her borders...in other words the place where believers once stayed is no longer there.
now when a believer dies he either goes into hell to wait judgement or to the see of glass to await the rapture
before you jump all over me...sin cannot stand in God's presence...and ALL(including Moses)had sinned...When Jesus paid the price then all those souls that had followed and kept the Law were removed from Hell.

Paradise...its the section of the dead (living) we are referring to.
I thought Goy was speaking in reference to judgment.
Also regarding Moses... I am not so sure, I believe he went to heaven like Enoch except that he died physically before being taken like Enoch.

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Prowler Wrote:

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

Prowler Wrote:

Also... this points to the fact that the Messiah is the true Promised Land since Moshe himself did not enter because of disobedience!

Hebrews 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honor than the house.

Blessed be the Name of Y'shua HaMashiach

So, Moses went to Gehenna or Hell?

Paradise...its the section of the dead (living) we are referring to.
I thought Goy was speaking in reference to judgment.
Also regarding Moses... I am not so sure, I believe he went to heaven like Enoch except that he died physically before being taken like Enoch.

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

You said, "Also... this points to the fact that the Messiah is the true Promised Land since Moshe himself did not enter because of disobedience!" So, because Moshe didn't enter Israel, do he go to Hell?

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

Prowler Wrote:

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

Prowler Wrote:

Also... this points to the fact that the Messiah is the true Promised Land since Moshe himself did not enter because of disobedience!

Hebrews 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honor than the house.

Blessed be the Name of Y'shua HaMashiach

So, Moses went to Gehenna or Hell?

Paradise...its the section of the dead (living) we are referring to.
I thought Goy was speaking in reference to judgment.
Also regarding Moses... I am not so sure, I believe he went to heaven like Enoch except that he died physically before being taken like Enoch.

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

You said, "Also... this points to the fact that the Messiah is the true Promised Land since Moshe himself did not enter because of disobedience!" So, because Moshe didn't enter Israel, do he go to Hell?

yes...to paradise which was the area in hell where all God's follower went until Jesus...Samuel was called up from hell...ref Saul and witch of Endor...

Eph 4:8  Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive,[color=blue][i](this is where he released Moses,Samuel,David etc from Hell)  and gave gifts unto men.

Eph 4:9  (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Eph 4:10  He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

You said, "Also... this points to the fact that the Messiah is the true Promised Land since Moshe himself did not enter because of disobedience!" So, because Moshe didn't enter Israel, do he go to Hell?

Hell except two that left Egypt entered the promised land this does not mean they went to hell!

If this was the case 95% of the church would go to hell for not walking in the promises of the New Covenant as they did in the book of Acts.

One can die outside the manifested promise on earth in Messiah and still live.

Promised land is not salvation the passover is salvation!

Prowler Wrote:

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

You said, "Also... this points to the fact that the Messiah is the true Promised Land since Moshe himself did not enter because of disobedience!" So, because Moshe didn't enter Israel, do he go to Hell?

Hell except two that left Egypt entered the promised land this does not mean they went to hell!

If this was the case 95% of the church would go to hell for not walking in the promises of the New Covenant as they did in the book of Acts.

One can die outside the manifested promise on earth in Messiah and still live.

Promised land is not salvation the passover is salvation!

I just wasn't sure. Thank you for clarifying what you meant.