JFJ Forums - If David calls him ‘Lord’ how is he his son?

As Yeshua was teaching in the Temple, he asked,
“How is it that the Torah teachers say the Messiah is the Son of David? David himself, inspired by the Ruach HaKodesh, said, ‘ADONAI said to my Lord, “Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet. David himself calls him ‘Lord’; so how is he his son?”

Psalm 110:1 THE Lord (God) says to my Lord (the Messiah), Sit at My right hand, until I make Your adversaries Your footstool.

Now King David was not the priest mentioned in verse 4 so who are we talking about and who is He since he is called both L-rd and Son?

Psalm 110:4 LORD has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”

Prowler Wrote:

As Yeshua was teaching in the Temple, he asked,
“How is it that the Torah teachers say the Messiah is the Son of David? David himself, inspired by the Ruach HaKodesh, said, ‘ADONAI said to my Lord, “Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet. David himself calls him ‘Lord’; so how is he his son?”

Psalm 110:1 THE Lord (God) says to my Lord (the Messiah), Sit at My right hand, until I make Your adversaries Your footstool.

Now King David was not the priest mentioned in verse 4 so who are we talking about and who is He since he is called both L-rd and Son?

Psalm 110:4 LORD has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”

Yeshua is David's son after the flesh but he is Davids G-d therefore his L-RD

Prowler Wrote:

As Yeshua was teaching in the Temple, he asked,
“How is it that the Torah teachers say the Messiah is the Son of David? David himself, inspired by the Ruach HaKodesh, said, ‘ADONAI said to my Lord, “Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet. David himself calls him ‘Lord’; so how is he his son?”

Psalm 110:1 THE Lord (God) says to my Lord (the Messiah), Sit at My right hand, until I make Your adversaries Your footstool.

Now King David was not the priest mentioned in verse 4 so who are we talking about and who is He since he is called both L-rd and Son?

Psalm 110:4 LORD has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”

Is this Psalm to difficult for the anti-missionaries?

Quote:

Is this Psalm to difficult for the anti-missionaries?

-crickets chirping-

The spirit of Christ in David was actually looking for a friend He called Lord, like the one true friend Barabbas actually had.

Prowler Wrote:

As Yeshua was teaching in the Temple, he asked,
“How is it that the Torah teachers say the Messiah is the Son of David? David himself, inspired by the Ruach HaKodesh, said, ‘ADONAI said to my Lord, “Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet. David himself calls him ‘Lord’; so how is he his son?”

Psalm 110:1 THE Lord (God) says to my Lord (the Messiah), Sit at My right hand, until I make Your adversaries Your footstool.

Now King David was not the priest mentioned in verse 4 so who are we talking about and who is He since he is called both L-rd and Son?

Psalm 110:4 LORD has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”

Simple answer Exodus 19:6.

We are all to be priestlike as ordained by G-d to be "a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy nation."

Kohen's nominal usage is that of "Priest" but that has no significance here since we, as a people, are commanded to be a priestly nation. The Function of the King is no different as he is included in the command from G-d.

Now as for Malki-tzadek The Hebrew "Al Divrati Malki-tzadek" Easily translates, and properly I might add, as "By my Decree you are a righteous king" Especially in light of the fact that this Psalm is about King David.

Menachem Wrote:

Prowler Wrote:

As Yeshua was teaching in the Temple, he asked,
“How is it that the Torah teachers say the Messiah is the Son of David? David himself, inspired by the Ruach HaKodesh, said, ‘ADONAI said to my Lord, “Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet. David himself calls him ‘Lord’; so how is he his son?”

Psalm 110:1 THE Lord (God) says to my Lord (the Messiah), Sit at My right hand, until I make Your adversaries Your footstool.

Now King David was not the priest mentioned in verse 4 so who are we talking about and who is He since he is called both L-rd and Son?

Psalm 110:4 LORD has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”

Simple answer Exodus 19:6.

We are all to be priestlike as ordained by G-d to be "a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy nation."

Kohen's nominal usage is that of "Priest" but that has no significance here since we, as a people, are commanded to be a priestly nation. The Function of the King is no different as he is included in the command from G-d.

Now as for Malki-tzadek The Hebrew "Al Divrati Malki-tzadek" Easily translates, and properly I might add, as "By my Decree you are a righteous king" Especially in light of the fact that this Psalm is about King David.

Have your read the Psalm or the question?

Since King David is speaking quote "ADONAI said to my Lord..."

The main question remains... who is King David's Lord that ADONAI is addressing?

Prowler Wrote:

Menachem Wrote:

Prowler Wrote:

As Yeshua was teaching in the Temple, he asked,
“How is it that the Torah teachers say the Messiah is the Son of David? David himself, inspired by the Ruach HaKodesh, said, ‘ADONAI said to my Lord, “Sit here at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet. David himself calls him ‘Lord’; so how is he his son?”

Psalm 110:1 THE Lord (God) says to my Lord (the Messiah), Sit at My right hand, until I make Your adversaries Your footstool.

Now King David was not the priest mentioned in verse 4 so who are we talking about and who is He since he is called both L-rd and Son?

Psalm 110:4 LORD has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”

Simple answer Exodus 19:6.

We are all to be priestlike as ordained by G-d to be "a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy nation."

Kohen's nominal usage is that of "Priest" but that has no significance here since we, as a people, are commanded to be a priestly nation. The Function of the King is no different as he is included in the command from G-d.

Now as for Malki-tzadek The Hebrew "Al Divrati Malki-tzadek" Easily translates, and properly I might add, as "By my Decree you are a righteous king" Especially in light of the fact that this Psalm is about King David.

Have your read the Psalm or the question?

Since King David is speaking quote "ADONAI said to my Lord..."

The main question remains... who is King David's Lord that ADONAI is addressing?

perhaps you should read the psalm more closely Psalm 110:1 L'David Mizmor.........Concerning/about David a Psalm.

The second lord(notice the lack of caps since this is a christian attempt to mislead everyone) is simply the term Adoni which is used to address an person of high stature or royalty. Meaning the unnamed Psalmist is composing this about David and calls King David "My lord."

He is priest only insofar as Exodus 19:6 and G-d calls David a "Righteous king(Malki-Tzadek)" Did you honestly think this was going to be rocket science for me? If so then I must be a rocket scientist after all...LOL!

Menachem Wrote:

perhaps you should read the psalm more closely Psalm 110:1 L'David Mizmor.........Concerning/about David a Psalm.

The second lord(notice the lack of caps since this is a christian attempt to mislead everyone) is simply the term Adoni which is used to address an person of high stature or royalty. Meaning the unnamed Psalmist is composing this about David and calls King David "My lord."

He is priest only insofar as Exodus 19:6 and G-d calls David a "Righteous king(Malki-Tzadek)" Did you honestly think this was going to be rocket science for me? If so then I must be a rocket scientist after all...LOL!

Are you claiming Psalm 110 was not written by David?

I wonder what are Sages would have to say about this?
Any idea?

Now do I believe Menachem or Jewish tradition?

What makes you think Jewish tradition disagrees with Menahem?  And in the event that it does, it certainly doesn't support your position.  According to some it refers to Abraham.  Then there is also the understanding that it refers to David.  Either position is supported by the grammar.

Adoni (w/hirik) never refers to G-d in the Hebrew Bible.

Psalm 110:1 says "...n'um Hashem ladoni..."

The word in Psalm 110:1 is adoni, not Adonai.

Adondai (w/kamatz) appears in the same Psalm.

Psalm 110:5 says "Adonai al y'min'cha..."

The Tetragrammation (the Four Letter Holy Name) appears in Psalm 110 three times (verses 1, 2, and 4).  Adonai (referring to G-d) appears in Psalm 110 once (verse 5).  Adoni (referring to man) appears in Psalm 110 once (verse 1).

Menahem's explanation is certainly a part of Jewish tradition.  So, I pose the question to you:  do you believe Jewish tradition?  If not, there was really no point in posing that question in the first place.