i just want to know, wat christian demonation are you jews for Jesus guys, because i was a secular jew who found Jesus as my savoir and now i am catholic
good for you.
stay catholic.
learn the difference between christians and catholics so that you dont fall into lazy messianic syndrome.
it takes more than baptism to believe on the name and this you must do accornning to the 'one' you now believe in. believing 'on the name' means living your faith, not sitting on it. YOU MUST DO AS THE MESSIAH (the person of) SAYS.
THE MESSIAH ( salvation) THAT GOD PROMISED THE JEWS BY WAY OF A BLOOD SACRIFICE WAS FULFILLED in the self sacrifice of jesus AND THIS MEANS THAT EVERY FAITHFUL, QUALIFIED JEW THAT HAD EVER LIVED AND DIED IN THE PROMISE RECEIVED ATONEMENT FOR HIS SINS AND WAS FREED FROM SHEOL WHEN CHRIST DESCENDED INTO THERE AND FREED THEM. WE THE LIVING HAVE A DIFFERENT DEAL,
AFTER THE SEVENTY WEEKS, THE LINE WAS DRAWN FOR THE DIVORCE AND MESSIAH (SALVATION), WAS """"" CUT OFF""""" FROM THE LAND (FAITH) OF THE LIVING. (THE PROMISE WAS MADE TO PRE-CHRIST ERA JEWS BY YAHWEH AND HE KEEPS IT. IT WAS NOT MADE TO US. THE SALVATION THAT WE "MAY" OBTAIN THRU GRACE, IS NOT THE SAME AS THE PROMISED MESSIAH (THE PERSON OF) OF THE JEWS. THAT WHY JESUS TOLD HIS APOSTLES TO GO TO THE JEWS FIRST. THEIR COVENANT WAS COMING TO THE END AND THEIR NEEDS WAS PRIORITY.
AFTER HIS MISSION TO THE JEWS WAS DONE, THEN HE SENT HIS APOSTLES TO ALL NATIONS, AND THE LIVING JEWS WERE NOT QUALIFIED TO BE SAVED UNDER THE ORIGINAL COVENANT UNLESS THEY WERE ALLOWED BY YAHWEH TO SEE THEIR SAVIOR AND ANNOINT HIM IN THEIR HEARTS. NOW THESE MUST FOLLOW THEIR GOD UP THE NEW MOUNTAIN TO THE NEW TEMPLE FOR THEIR MESSIAH, (SALVATION)
AND NOW IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE FOR ALL MEN TO BE SAVED BUT THEY ALSO MUST ASCEND THE NEW MOUNTAIN AND MUST KEEP THE LAW.
WE MUST KEEP THE LAWS OF THE NEW COVENANT AND THE NEW TEMPLE HOLDS THE SEPTER AND AUTHORITY. THIS NEW LAWS, BUILT ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE OLD LAW, (MOUNTAIN), IS THE THE CATHOLICS TEACH AND DO, (IF THEY ARE GOOD CATHOLICS. )
. THE OTHER CHRISTIAN SECTS TEACH THAT MAN IS SAVED BY GRACE ALONE AND THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS THING BECAUSE IT ALLOWS ONE WHO IS BEING TESTED BY TEMPTAION TO THINK THAT THEY CAN STILL SIN AND BE SAVED.
THAT A TRAP. THAT A LIE. MARTIN LUTHER WAS A SATAN.
THE IDEA THAT MAN IS SAVED BY BAPTISIMAL GRACE ALONE CAN WORK ONLY IF THE SOUL OF THE FAITHFUL IS PURE and remains PURE. BUT WHO IS THAT? NOBODY
THEIR IS A SYSTEM IN PLACE AMONG THE CATHOLICS WHEREBY MAN CAN RECEIVE NEW GRACE ,(CALLED MONEY IN THE GOSPEL), TO REPLACE THAT WHICH HE LOST IN SIN. AND A MAN CAN OBTAIN GRACE FOR OTHERS. THAT WHY PRAYER WORKS.
LOOK JESUS TOLD PETER:
'FROM WHOM DOES THE TAX COLLECTER TALE TAX?
PETER ANSWERS: HE TAKES TAX FROM STRANGERS, (COMING INTO THE CITY)
SO JESUS TELLS HIM: "THEREFORE, CAST AND HOOK AND TAKE THE FIRST FISH THAT COMES UP, (from the sea of humanity), and when you have opened his mouth, (in testamony), you will find a piece of money. that take and give it to the children and keep some for yourself."
you see? for every convert that peter made, he received grace and he is told to share it with the children.
when catholics pray daily, set good example and make the daily sacrifice, (working the field) all over the world, every catholic in the church is receiving the benefits of grace received by the good works.
jesus' sacrifice made him rich, all nice and legal like (justice) and he got plenty of money because he was innocent, he has a chit on every last soul. he spends his money as he pleases and pays handsomely to those diligent workers of his field.
stay catholic and reap. make your contribution to support his cause.
I am not from JFJ. However I heard about this remark from
JFJ when they went to Ireland. "Are you Catholic or Protestant"
and the answer from the Liberated Wailing Wall as I recall it.
" Neither"" We are Jews for Jesus".
Since you are Jewish, and have accepted Jesus ( Yeshua) as
Lord and Messiah. It appears to me you would be a
Jew for Jesus also.
However the "title" doe not matter as much as "born from
above" believer.
"Jew for Jesus" makes no sense, Jesus told Peter to create the Christian church so only Christians truly follow Jesus
Ah, well this is my 2 cents:
I would say, J4J is fundamentalist, on the far protestant side but like seventh day aventists, etc, have incorporated jewish ritual symbology as part of its worship (saturday worship etc.).
Many on the fundamental or baptist wing, do not consider catholics as christians, due to their veneration of saints, etc.
Many see Judaism as both an ethnicity and a religion. Because your Jewish ancestry has erradicated any real connection to country of origin (ie, german jews, russian jews, polish jews, yemen jews don't necessarily look or worship the same, but then again sometimes don't look even like the host country population, ie germans, poles, yemenites, etc.), you can be both Jewish and Catholic. But, the whole thing is a personal choice for interpretation. Obviously you have made a distinction that works for you...
I am fully aware of the worship differences between Judaism and Christianity. Even the emphasis and role of the messiah is completely different just like the role and nature of evil in moral religious teaching.
Did you say Protestant?
I don't believe Jews for Jesus is Protestant. Protestant is all of the churches such as Baptist, Presbyterian and Methodist. They all have virtually the same Confessions.
A good number of Evangelical Churches are no longer Protestant. So Protestant does not define the Christian faith very well. There are many Bible Churches, non-denominational, independant and otherwise that do not answer to Protestantism.
I, for one, do not consider myself a Protestant anymore. I used to be a member of a Baptist Church at one time. I have since come to find errors in the Protestant Confessions. They don't believe that God reveals His will like He used to. That is according to their Confession (their written statement of faith).
I believe that God through Messiah is still the head of His body. As such, God still reveals His will to the members of His body.
I don't speak for Jews for Jesus but they would likely trace their origins back to Israel, which makes a lot of sense. A lot of Bible Churches do the same only they would probably refer to Pentecost or something.
It's easy to understand if we can get our facts straight.
Shalom!
seekmosttoprophesy J4J would not trace their origins to Israel as with other askenazic jews. They would however trace their origin to the khazar kingdom, where the state adopted judaism as their main religion, so almost everyone from the king to the peasents converted to judaism. As a matter of fact most jews today dont have any roots in ancient israel, only about 5% of jews today would trace their roots to israel, and those 5% will be sephadic jews not ashkenazic jews. And even if some ashkenazic jews dont trace it to the khazars, they will trace it to germany, as even ashkenazic means germany. So many ppl in that area converted to judasim. Thats why jews today are so white and look european, cuz their ancestors converted to judiasm.
Daer Israelite87.
Great! The Catholic Church is awesome.. All Christians are the Church, the Temple, the Body of Christ.
Did you ever read about the Jewish Saint Theresa Benedicta of the Cross, also known as Edith Stein? I recommend that to you.. she inspired a great many people with her testimony of love. If anyone of you guys want to know something about Catholic veneration of saints a woman like Edith Stein, who was killed in the Holocaust, would probably be a good beginning.. just like other more recent saints like Father Maximilian Kolbe who also died in a concentration camp or the very famous Padre Pio who carried the stigmata on his body for several decades etc.
Yours,
Katarina <><
J4J would not trace their origins to Israel
OK...
Faith is not about color. I was speaking of their origin of faith. There are Jews of virtually every color and that is totally irrelevant and untrue because Esau was red as was David. Of course, the more Jews spread out, the more diverse they became. Even so, they have been able to identify all who are the Priests of Israel through DNA testing. They can tell with absolute certainty, which male Jew is a direct descendant of Aaron, Moses' brother regardless of what color they are.
Faith is not about race. God's children are those who are of the seed of faith. These are the one's who are the real children of Abraham, the one's that have the same faith in the same provision of Messiah that Abraham had. The seed of course is none other than Messiah/Christ himself and everyone that believes in Messiah Y'shua is born from above, they are not of this realm. The seed of Abraham (also the seed of the woman) that crushes the Serpents head is none other than Messiah (Y'shua).
That is the perfect seed, the seed of perfection, our perfect provision. We cannot put our trust in any race of mankind. We can only put our trust in the Lord Y'shua our Messiah, our King and our Savior. The glory cannot be to a race of people. All the glory must be to God through Messiah (Y'shua).
Shalom!
Shalom!
I grew up Catholic but I'm about to become Baptist because I get the most out of their services and they have a sense of strong fellowship.