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Pope Dionysius said ""Therefore, the divine Trinity must be gathered up and brought together in one, a summit, as it were, I mean the omnipotent God of the universe. . . . It is blasphemy, then, and not a common one but the worst, to say that the Son is in any way a handiwork [creature]. . . . But if the Son came into being [was created], there was a time when these attributes did not exist; and, consequently, there was a time when God was without them, which is utterly absurd"

Of the last bit of this statement does not make sense. "But if the Son came into being [was created], there was a time when these attributes did not exist; and, consequently, there was a time when God was without them"  God has always had every attribute and like any Father provides the substance for the son to have the same attributes. Realistically we all were contained in the loins of Adam, therefore we can be called the sons of Adam. The attributes that Adam held were made in the image of God and were given life by the Spirit of God. Before we existed, God existed. Before Jesus existed, God existed. Before the light of the world existed, the One Light existed from eternity. NOT that eternity is greater than God nor does God live within eternity, but eternity was created as a garment and a train to the glory of God. God's existence and perfection is not compromised in any way by creations existence or non existence.


Hyppolytus said of God ""The Word alone of this God is from God himself, wherefore also the Word is God, being the being of God. Now the world was made from nothing, wherefore it is not God"

I could not imagine the world being made from nothing. God is not a nothing. His word is not a nothing. His thoughts are not a nothing. His planning and imagination are not nothing. Power is not a nothing. IF we create matter from light, then the matter was created with something, and from something. The only thing that exists that was not made, created, or formed is God our Father. Everything is derived from Him.

Shalom,
Christopher

I take it that you study the Talmud every night. But if Yochanahn ben-Zavdai said that Y'shua ben-Miryam was the Word in the Beginning (Yochanahn 1-3, 8-10), who are you to go against Elohim-Eloheynu?

Psalm 90:2 - Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

John 1:1-3 - 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  2 The same was in the beginning with God.  3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Where does it say that the Son was created, or that the Son is not the Creator?

Col 3:10  And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

New man?...Jesus....who is the image of him who created him...and who created Him?...God...and who is God's image....Jesus

He was created in the womb by the Holy Ghost...so he man Jesus was created in the womb...so i guess its scriptural that the  Father is the Holy Ghost..  

Since Jesus is the Creator and is from everlasting, Jesus was not created.

Oneness teaches that God is playing roles; that God is a hypokrites.  Oneness further teaches that the Father is the deity dwelling in the physical Jesus which is not God, thereby contradicting the holiness of God, because the sacrifice of Christ is thereby negated.  But the Bible says that by the power of the Holy Spirit, the Word (the Son) was made flesh and dwelt among us.  Colossians 3:9 refers to putting off the old man, the old nature.  We put on the new man, the new garment which is Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit.  Christ is the "second Adam" and He is God come in the flesh for our sakes.  Hebrews 10:5

Nowhere in scripture is the Word called the son....

It says quote:
In the beginning was the word,and the word was with God, and he WORD WAS GOD and later down it states "and the Word(GOD) became flesh"
Nowhere does it imply or state that the word was the SON preexistant.

to follow your theory that would mean there are 2 Gods.

also God is SPirit...GOd is Holy....GOD is a HOLY SPIRIT or HOLY GHOST
so if the HOLY GHOST(GOD) is the Father pray tell where is this so called third person? I only count ONE....Jesus  

prophet, you are not at all impressed by "the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us," are you?  Or that He who was made flesh and dwelt among us referred to Himself as the Son of man, Son of God, are you?  And you further are not impressed that Jesus identified Himself as the I AM.  Are you?  No, of course not; because Oneness teaches that the spirit in Jesus was deity and his flesh (humanity) was not deity.  So, of course you're counting on your fingers, instead of looking up.  Oneness stops salvation with one(ness) punch, because a spirit Jesus cannot save fallen humanity.  You say, only one God, only one Savior, there is no other besides.  So why do you keep demoting the only Savior?  If God in the flesh is not deity, you have no Savior of mankind.  Besides having no answer for my sent from and go to challenge, Oneness fails at its own computations:  Oneness is not about one God at all; it is about no Savior.

Stop counting on your fingers and look up, man.  Where does Jesus say God is a mathematical equation?

Ok Baptistic...let me put it plain...

Only God alone can take away sin....Abraham said God would provide himself a lamb....

God became flesh....he is Jesus....He made Himself a man like us to show us how to pray in the Holy GHost....to resist temptation by the Holy Ghost....God in the form of Jesus took ALL our sins at the cross...
God was in Christ....God reanimated His own fleshly body and glorified it...
  The I AM is GOD....The Word is GOD...GOD was Manifest in FLESH
Elohim is GOD...GOd is ONE....ALWAYS HAS BEEN ALWAYS will be.

Bible states : Father Himself came down into the Virgin, was Himself born of her, Himself suffered, indeed was Himself Jesus Christ

Holy Ghost overshadoed Mary...Holy Ghost is God...like I said before...God is Spirit...God is Holy...ergo Holy Spirit?Holy Ghost

Now whether you like it or not 1 tim 3:16 says it plainly that GOD is JESUS
1Ti 3:16  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

and since God is the Holy Ghost...there is no trinity...anymore than you are a trinity...three persons as a father,son and uncle...when you can show me 3 seperate persons of you in those roles then maybe I'll buy what you say...but trintiy is NOT BIBLICAL.  

Answering prophet Part 1Like Armstrongism?  Or do you believe, as do the trinitarians, that Christ was raised bodily and ascended bodily?

That lamb is Jesus aka the Word, the Son of God, the Son of man, taking away sin; Jesus is the Lamb of God sent by the Father.

Jesus came to give His life a ransom for many.  Mark 10:45

Again:  Did Christ rise bodily and ascend bodily?

Jesus is God, right; Jesus is God, right; the Word was made flesh, right; Elohim is [plurality] God in one essence, right!!!

Scripture does not say the Father came into the virgin.  It says the Holy Ghost came upon and overshadowed Mary.  Luke 1:35  You are misquoting scripture to make your point.

The Bible does not use this line of reasoning, see below:

The scripture here states that Jesus is God.  Oneness turns this around: when you say God is Jesus, you are redefining the Godhead to exclude the Father and the Holy Spirit, because Jesus never referred to Himself as the Father nor as the Holy Spirit; it is like the cultist saying that love is God, instead of God is love 1 John 4:16.  To you, "Jesus" is a role; therefore you are saying that God is a role.  Not so; Jesus is God.

See part 2

Answering prophet, part 2Roles! that key word you cannot seem to get a handle on.  God is not a role player, a hypokrites!  Which brings me to repeat my challenge, oft repeated I might add, and never answered by any of the oneness advocates here:

Oneness teaches that the spirit in Jesus was deity and his flesh (humanity) was not deity.  So, of course you're counting on your fingers, instead of looking up.  Oneness stops salvation with one(ness) punch, because a spirit Jesus cannot save fallen humanity.  You say, only one God, only one Savior, there is no other besides.  So why do you keep demoting the only Savior?  If God in the flesh is not deity, you have no Savior of mankind.  Besides having no answer for my sent from and go to challenge, Oneness fails at its own computations:  Oneness is not about one God at all; it is about no Savior.

You can't answer this, prophet!  That is why you did not directly answer the points in my post!  Oneness has NO answer!