JFJ Forums - Jews? for jc?

searchinmyroots Wrote:

Baptistic,

You said;
"Your lame arguments are kicking against the goads... bring something of value to the table..."

If my actual question (quoted below) had that effect of translation to your brain, go for it; but the actual question is all you need to ponder right now, yes?

searchinmyroots Wrote:

You said;
"searchinmyroots, are all Baptists, Christians? Are all gentiles, Christians? What happens to his national and spiritual identity, when a gentile converts to Christianity?"

That's a good question, why don't you ask them? They seem to think so.
As do the;
Catholics
Lutherns
Methodist
Pentacostal
Protestants
Presbyterians
Mormons
Latter Day Saints

or better yet, just click on here; [...] scroll down to the bottom and let me know when you get an answer from all of them.

Let me know when you get my question. Next time, try thinking.

searchinmyroots Wrote:

Prowler Wrote:

"Your lame arguments are kicking against the goads... bring something of value to the table..."

SMR:

Another deflection. What arguement are you talking about?

I responded to a reply of Goy (2nd post) that said;
"But whoever founded JFJ is Jewish. Do you research."

Then I posted a reply that is straight from the very founder of the organization jfj.

So what on earth are you talking about? Either agree or disagree, don't deflect.
So you answer the question; Was Mr. Rosen a Jew when he started jfj?
If you can't answer questions, then don't bother replying. Thank you.

The deflection was on your part regarding the definition of who is a Jew.
You were kicking against the core of who you are as a Jew!

I am a Jew who believes that Y’shua is our Mashiach so the opinion of some orthodox rabbis who claim I am not a Jew because they get drunk on wine in Teran is irrelevant!

I shall continue to support and stand with my people Israel despite the bent Orthodox Rabbis.

Wherever one is an Orthodox believer, a Pharisee, a Sadducee, Messianic or even an atheist this does not change the persons identity as a Jew and his obligation to his heritage.

The L-rd judges praise!

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

searchinmyroots Wrote:

Goy,

I think you better do a little research yourself. Mr. Rosen converted way before he started jfj.

Mort "Moishe" Rosen, the founder of Jews for J-sus, is a minister, who has led Chrstian congregations. These are quotes directly from his biography on the Jews for J-sus website.

"Diploma, Northeastern Bible College, 1957; DD, Western Conservative Baptist Seminary, 1986. Ordained to ministry Baptist Church, 1957."
As you can see, it is clear that he became an ORDAINED BAPTIST MINISTER IN 1957 and he is also a graduate of two Chrstian colleges; Northeast Bible College and the Western Conservative Baptist Seminary!
Here is more information on him directly from their website:

"Trustee Western Conservative Baptist Seminary, Portland, Oreg., 1979-85, 86-91, International Council on Biblical Inerrancy, Oakland, Calif., 1979-89; board of directors, Chrstian Advocates Serving Evangelism, 1987-91. Received Hero of the Faith Award from the Conservative Baptist Assoc. of America on July 7, 1997."

Would you like more????

Prowler best answered your charge.

Prowler Wrote:

searchinmyroots Wrote:

Prowler Wrote:

"Your lame arguments are kicking against the goads... bring something of value to the table..."

SMR:

Another deflection. What arguement are you talking about?

I responded to a reply of Goy (2nd post) that said;
"But whoever founded JFJ is Jewish. Do you research."

Then I posted a reply that is straight from the very founder of the organization jfj.

So what on earth are you talking about? Either agree or disagree, don't deflect.
So you answer the question; Was Mr. Rosen a Jew when he started jfj?
If you can't answer questions, then don't bother replying. Thank you.

The deflection was on your part regarding the definition of who is a Jew.
You were kicking against the core of who you are as a Jew!

I am a Jew who believes that Y’shua is our Mashiach so the opinion of some orthodox rabbis who claim I am not a Jew because they get drunk on wine in Teran is irrelevant!

I shall continue to support and stand with my people Israel despite the bent Orthodox Rabbis.

Wherever one is an Orthodox believer, a Pharisee, a Sadducee, Messianic or even an atheist this does not change the persons identity as a Jew and his obligation to his heritage.

The L-rd judges praise!

John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

"John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshiper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."

RE:
Why not follow Jesus teachings and worship God like Jesus did?

Jesus deserves to be praised not worshipped. Unless I have a differant understanding of what the word "worship" means... if I'm wrong please correct me.

Prowler,

Well maybe I stand corrected. I should have worded the topic a bit better.

If you were born a Jew, you will always be a Jew. If a Jew follows anything other than the Hebrew bible, then he/she is not Jewish, or, following Judaism.

So I'll now officially rename the topic;

Jewish Followers of Judaism for jc?

There, that's better.

If I was fortunate enough to sit with someone like Jesus, I would sit and gladly be the recipient but i'd never be afraid to stand up and correct him if necessary. I'm sure he'd listen too.

searchinmyroots-

This is an interesting question if most of the people on this site are not Jewish.

One good way of looking at it is that nonjews are getting in touch with the Hebrew roots of Christianity.

So, even though they are not born Jews they identify with national Israel and there is some value in this too.

There is a concept of holding apparent contradictions in dynamic tension.

There are many things like this in the area of theology.

It is part of the smallness of our brains and God's bigness.

For example, MOshe Rosen has his Jewishness and "Christianess" (pardon my coining a word) in dynamic tension.

No matter how he adjusted the ratio of what he was someone could complain he was not enough of this or that.

This kind of like the what color will the carpet be argument that splits a congregation.

By becoming a believer in Yeshua Moshe became a little less Jewish in a way maybe. Maybe even less Jewish when he got his seminary degree. But he never became totally not Jewish.

As an illustration think of Barak Obamah. Maybe he became only 90 percent american by spending part of his childhood in indonesia when he became 70 percent indonesian. He can now relate to both but sceptic will forever view him with suspicion.

I'm with Primo.

He said;
"I would sit and gladly be the recipient but i'd never be afraid to stand up and correct him if necessary. I'm sure he'd listen too."

Espsecially if he went against the Hebrew bible.

Chad,

Very well put reply. I understand your thought process.

The only thing that differs, is the Word of G-d.

G-d does not allow a Jewish person or a Gentile to worship anything other than Himself. Worshiping a man, whether thought to be a messiah, or G-d or whatever is worshipping an idol. G-d strictly forbids that.

I know you have all of these "verses" and claims that jc is just a "part" of G-d, or G-d in the flesh, but that is totally against Torah.

So that is where a Jew would lose his/her "Jewishness".

searchinmyroots Wrote:

Prowler,

Well maybe I stand corrected. I should have worded the topic a bit better.

If you were born a Jew, you will always be a Jew. If a Jew follows anything other than the Hebrew bible, then he/she is not Jewish, or, following Judaism.

So I'll now officially rename the topic;

Jewish Followers of Judaism for jc?

There, that's better.

thanku brother searchin for recognizing our support of the Jewish people...

Before I sign on the dotted line I would like us to re-word the second stanza of the definition. Let me know if you are ok with this?

I feel the following definition is more in line with the Tanakh: ?

“If you were born a Jew, you will always be a Jew. If a Jew follows an interpretation that is in contradiction and not supported by the Hebrew bible, then he/she is not Jewish, or, following Judaism by giving praise to G-d.”