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With Pesach almost upon us, I haven't yet seen any discussion
about it here.

What do non-Jewish members here do? Do you clean your house to
rid it of chametz? Do you observe Pesach and so refrain from eating
it? Do you have a seder, and if so do you do two or one?

I just read this article regarding chametz and sin and thought it
interesting (taken from Divrei Bet Hillel):
Quote:

Chametz is a symbol of evil in the world and represents sin. What Chametz really is in effect, is puffed up matzah. This "puffed up"-ness represents pride, materialism, and laziness. It is left alone to rise and you do not have to continually work on it. On Pesach, we get rid of our Chametz by both physically destroying it (Bi'ur Chametz ), and by intellectually nullifying it (Bitul Chametz ). So too with sin, we have to make an intellectual decision t o nullify it, but we also have to physically destroy it.

If chametz represents sin, why do we start eating it again right after Pesach? Even Shavuot, the holiday right after Pesach, has grain offerings!

This is to teach us that there is no such thing as objective and irredeemable evil. The same ingredients that make chametz (sin) are also those that make matzot (mitzvot). The reason for this is that anything can be good as long as you watch it.

In Hebrew, the words chametz and matzah are spelled very similarly. The only difference in the letters of the two words is the chet and the heh. These two letters themselves are very similar; the only difference is a small dot of ink. Just like we have to take care in writing these letters, making sure not to turn our hehs into chets, so to we have to be careful in how we live our lives. We must live lives of matzah/mitzvot, and not let them turn into lives of ch ametz /sin.

What is the difference between the flour and water that make up chametz and the flour and water that make up matzah? Basically, it is our active involvement in, and concern for the mitzvah. Our involvement and care in doing mitzv ot determine what kinds of lives we are going to live-- lives of chametz or lives of matzah.

The goal in Judaism is to take that which has the potential for evil and make it into good. It is in this way that we try to bring Moshiach

In my upbringing and present practice also, we (meaning my family and I) do not hold a seder.  We observe the Lord's Supper, which is about that last seder where Y'shua took the cup and broke the unleavened bread which signified His body broken for us and the new covenant in His blood.

That is not to say I would not attend a Messianic hosted seder.  I tried to at one time, was told the incorrect time and arrived late.  But I was able to hear most of the service and have some of the dishes.  The reception I got from that congregation was generally one of welcome.  No one knew me, but they knew the friend who paid my ticket but did not attend it with me.

Leaven is the thing that makes bread taste good.  To our natural minds, sin is naturally appealing.  We need the mind of Y'shua Messiach, we need to "taste and see that the LORD is good."  Psalm 34:8  O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. ... 20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.

We were taught that the unleavened bread is the picture of the sinlessness of Messiah, the bread of life, of whom all believers may be fed.

We were taught that the penalty of sin is paid for by Messiah.  In that respect, sin is not nullified but directly judged by God and paid for in Messiah.  When we turn "to God from idols", from sin, we are beneficiaries of that work.  Though seder observers physically go back to leavened bread, in the spiritual reality we must continue feeding on Messiach, which is not pleasing to our natural mind.  But the new mind that is in Messiach desires this unleavened bread.

God bless.
I come from a nonliturgical background so every day is the same just about.  However, since I work for Jews I am now aware of this holiday.  Think about this, I read somewhere that the average heart land american has never met an orthodox Jew personally.

I have eaten some whole wheat matza and thought about the christian meaning of it and added my own.  I see rows of clouds in it for Messiah coming with the clouds.

Really the only thing we all do together as non liturgicals is worship and be filled with the Holy Ghost.  Thats enough I guess.
Sheitl Queen Wrote:

With Pesach almost upon us, I haven't yet seen any discussion
about it here.

What do non-Jewish members here do? Do you clean your house to
rid it of chametz? Do you observe Pesach and so refrain from eating
it? Do you have a seder, and if so do you do two or one?


I went to two seders: One at my estranged dad's former church (when I didn't understand why they would let in the spirit of Eliyahu HaNavi), and one at my now ex-boyfriend's house.
GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

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I went to two seders: One at my estranged dad's former church (when I didn't understand why they would let in the spirit of Eliyahu HaNavi), and one at my now ex-boyfriend's house.


So no plans for seders this year?
Do you eat chametz or is not eating it not  required?
Sheitl Queen Wrote:

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

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I went to two seders: One at my estranged dad's former church (when I didn't understand why they would let in the spirit of Eliyahu HaNavi), and one at my now ex-boyfriend's house.


So no plans for seders this year?
Do you eat chametz or is not eating it not  required?


I'm a Christian (Messianic) gentile; so I don't have to avoid chametz.
Shalom Sheitl,
As a gentile believer in Y'shua, I personally don't believe that I am required to do anything, but because I see the richness of the Jewish heritage I have through Messiah, I do cherish the Passover and certain other traditions/holidays, etc., and have tried to learn as much as I can. I first became familiar with J4J in the 80's and through this organization realized those riches.

Since then I have been to many seders and have hosted many seders, both publically and privately in my home (even one for the LWW!). I'm not confused about who or what I am, but I do see GREAT value in the Passover holiday.

Back before the "Easter" holiday, I was thrilled that my church decided to hold a seder, and I did all the preparation for that with the help of volunteers. I had way too much charoseth left over, but mmmmmmmm..that was ok too! Wink  For most of those believers there, it was the first quasi-seder they had ever attended and a great learning experience!

Thanks for asking!
"Do you eat chametz or is not eating it not  required?"

I forgot to answer this part...Sheitl, you've probably have read threads on here before that describe Christian "liberty" so I won't go into all that unless you question it. Anyway, because I believe Y'shua bore the penalty of all my sin and because He was perfect, sinless and our eternal sacrifice, I don't worry about what I eat (except for calories) Toungue

Bless you!
GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

Sheitl Queen Wrote:

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

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I went to two seders: One at my estranged dad's former church (when I didn't understand why they would let in the spirit of Eliyahu HaNavi), and one at my now ex-boyfriend's house.


So no plans for seders this year?
Do you eat chametz or is not eating it not  required?


I'm a Christian (Messianic) gentile; so I don't have to avoid chametz.


Even though the Torah clearly says not to have it in your
possession?
chow_woman Wrote:

"Do you eat chametz or is not eating it not  required?"

I forgot to answer this part...Sheitl, you've probably have read threads on here before that describe Christian "liberty" so I won't go into all that unless you question it. Anyway, because I believe Y'shua bore the penalty of all my sin and because He was perfect, sinless and our eternal sacrifice, I don't worry about what I eat (except for calories) Toungue

Bless you!



I was curious because the Torah clearly states to have no
chametz in your possession, and my impression is that Messianics
follow Torah. So therefore to eat it or own it during Pesach is
against Torah (not rabbinical) law.....
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