Where in the Tanach (i.e. “Old Testament”) or any other text pre-dating Jesus is this stated? It is stated nowhere! Why not? For the same reason that you’re not “commanded” to believe that two plus two are four!
When the real messiah comes, his identity will be as obvious as the example above! It will require no faith of any kind! Certainly, the alleged Christian Messiah does not live up to this. The requirement to have “faith” in Jesus is bogus; the real messiah requires no such “faith.”
Even the Pharisees of His time did not reject that He did miracles and works, AS PROPHESIED BTW... they saw them and heard of them, however, they attributed them to the devil.
Please read Hebrews, if you would, since it is directed to Israel.
Where in the Tanach (i.e. “Old Testament”) or any other text pre-dating Jesus is this stated? It is stated nowhere! Why not? For the same reason that you’re not “commanded” to believe that two plus two are four!
When the real messiah comes, his identity will be as obvious as the example above! It will require no faith of any kind! Certainly, the alleged Christian Messiah does not live up to this. The requirement to have “faith” in Jesus is bogus; the real messiah requires no such “faith.”
Have you read the Tanach for yourself? How were Avraham, Yitzchak, Ya'akov, Yosef, Moshe, and anyone else considered righteous: by works or faith? Or did Yeshayahu lie when he spoke of works being filthy rags?
Have you read the Tanach for yourself? How were Avraham, Yitzchak, Ya'akov, Yosef, Moshe, and anyone else considered righteous: by works or faith? Or did Yeshayahu lie when he spoke of works being filthy rags?
What has this to do with the topic at hand? There is no commandment to believe the the messiah prior to the time of Jesus; you haven't refuted that! No "faith" will be required!
Shlomo,
The reason they keep deflecting to other verse is very simple.
You answered your own question.
There IS NO such passage in the Hebrew bible that says you "must" believe in a messiah for either sin atonement or their version of "eternal life".
So if G-d didn't say so, we shouldn't beleive it!
Have you read the Tanach for yourself? How were Avraham, Yitzchak, Ya'akov, Yosef, Moshe, and anyone else considered righteous: by works or faith? Or did Yeshayahu lie when he spoke of works being filthy rags?
What has this to do with the topic at hand? There is no commandment to believe the the messiah prior to the time of Jesus; you haven't refuted that! No "faith" will be required!
So, faith wasn't credited as righteousness to Avraham? Yeshayahu lied when he spoke of works being filthy rags? David didn't have to beg his Adonai to not take the Ruach-HaKodesh from him? Have you read the Tanach at all?
Shlomo,
The reason they keep deflecting to other verse is very simple.
You answered your own question.
There IS NO such passage in the Hebrew bible that says you "must" believe in a messiah for either sin atonement or their version of "eternal life".
So if G-d didn't say so, we shouldn't beleive it!
Have you read the Torah, and passages such as Genesis 3:15 and Deuteronomy 18:15?
Goy,
None of your posts show where anyone said the only way to be forgiven for your sins or to have eternal life is to believe in a messiah. You haven't answered the question.
Repeat;
PLEASE SHOW US ONE VERSE THAT STATES THIS XTIAN CLAIM.
Thank you!
Shlomo,
The reason they keep deflecting to other verse is very simple.
You answered your own question.
There IS NO such passage in the Hebrew bible that says you "must" believe in a messiah for either sin atonement or their version of "eternal life".
So if G-d didn't say so, we shouldn't beleive it!
Have you read the Torah, and passages such as Genesis 3:15 and Deuteronomy 18:15?
The first passage you quoted was about Adam and Eve being thrown out of the garden and the Serpent's special punishment. The second is about G-d sending a prophet. The first passage is totally irrelevant, perhaps because Christian and Jewish bibles are not numbered exactly the same. The second one does not anywhere command anybody to "believe" in any prophet. In fact, the burden is on the prophet to prove himself!
If my theory is right it will take some faith to believe in David the Prince and turn away from the Anti christ or the beast. One will be economically advantagous.
Living as a patriarch of Israel required faith.
It seems that the Lord generally worked this way.
The key word here is command. Saying faith is commanded is not exacly what the Bible is saying.
But this doesn't refute that the way God seems to be working is by faith when you look at all the OT examples.
Are you waiting for an earthly Messiah who "everyone" wil believe in who is economically advantageous to follow. You may be setting your self up to worship Joe Ratzinger.