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In the New Testament Jesus clearly states that today's Christians are the only one's who follow his teachings.

The Gospel of Matthew

16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it


The Apostle Peter founded Christianity and since Jesus told Peter to create his church, It's fact that only Christians are true followers of Jesus, if you people want to follow Christ than you MUST be christians and that's FACT. There's no "in-between" religion.

I do not intend to sound mean or insulting, but I've been reading a lot of anti-Christian comments.

So maybe you think that Peter became a goy(non jew) when he became a Christian? If someone is born a Jew they will die as a Jew.  Nobody could ever stop being Jewish even if they wanted to and Peter, Paul, James, and John were the original but not the only Jews for Jesus.

They weren't "Jews for Jesus" they were ethnic Jews who became Christians they stareted Christianity, so if you people beliebve in Christ you have to be Christian otherwise you're not following Jesus.

If you read the passage correctly Jesus asks Peter who he thinks He Jesus is and Peter gives the correct answer the Messiah. Jesus then tells Peter that He Jesus will build His Church upon this rock the rock being He the LORD Messiah.

De:32:3: Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
De:32:4: He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

M't:16:15: He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
M't:16:16: And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
M't:16:17: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
M't:16:18: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Actually the Apostle Peter didn't start Christianity, Jesus guided His disciples in the Spirit along with the Apostle Paul who was the Apostle to the Gentiles. The first Believers were Jewish and the First called Christians were in Antioch.

Visited by Barnabas and Paul, who here preached his first Christian sermon in a synagogue, its converts were the first to be called Christians (Acts 11:26).

Ac:11:26: And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Peter was a wretch who had to learn that he could do nothing of himself. He learned that when he denied Christ. Then Peter knew he had to stand on the ROCK! Macho manhood will get you killed. Peter was given charge to lead! The rivers of living water flow from the Rock, Yeshua. Nu:20:10: And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

De:32:31: For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.

De:32:37: And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,

Christian is JEWISH FIRST then GENTILE.
CHRIST = MESSIAH
CHRISTIAN = MESSIANIC

Jews for Jesus. Hmm. What a novel idea?

May I suggest that even Abraham and Moses believed in Messiah/Christ. That makes them Christians too! All of the prophets believed in Messiah/Christ so they were Christians. John the baptizer identified Messiah/Christ. That makes him a Christian.

As Moishe said, they were Jews. They believed in Y'shua/Jesus Messiah/Christ.

This is not an anti-Christian site. It is a site that confesses Messiah/Christ.

Shalom in Messiah/Christ!

moshe? you are full of baloney.

it is my faith, that you were chosen for a purpose. when i say chosen, i mean you personally. you have accomplished great things for the lord but you have a few errors.

i agee with the original post that all christians, (and when i say christians im mean people who believe in the christ jesus, that includes you.  if you believe that jesus is the christ, you are a christian.
words, as you know, often have more than one meaning.

a jew in the way that you are expressing yourself, is an ethnic hebrew. a jew (to a catholic who is taught that they are jews ), is a person who believes in the god of abraham. in this usage, it is not an ethnic term. it is a spiritual descendency.

if you are straight with the word, you cant switch back and forth in the ministry. it confuses. maybe you will say you dont but then how can you cope with scripture that uees the word 'jew', both ways?

you have to separate the two,clearly and distinctly, to eliminate the possibility of condusion. . saul knew this and that why he changed his name to paul. simon changed to peter.

yahweh divorced the old peoples and .this is a fact. it was prophesied that he would do it and he did. i know that it not what you want to hear and i dont say this because it seems right to me or that im partial to catholics. i have to face reality same as you and if the truth is uncomfortable, then we have to readjust.

this is the truth,

when isaias speaks of the 'latter days' in 2:2, he is speaking TO THE JEWS (ethnic and religion was the same then), concerning the days before the end of the old covenant revocation.  when daniel speaks saying: 'messaih is cut of but not for himself' in 9:26, he is not saying that jesus' life was taken fron him as the christian teaching claim, (even though it was), he is saying that SALVATION IS CUT OFF FROM THE REMAINING JEWS WHO DID NOT COME TO CHRIST.( messiah also means salvation does it not?) hear you see the problem that christians and messiancs are in when they understand messiah the wrong way.

it works like this:

yahweh made a promise to his jews. IF THEY KEEP HIS LAWS, he would be their eternal god. the covenant, liken to a marriage and was for keeps. the people broke their vows. seventy times seven, he forgave them, (four hundered and ninety years he forgave them day by day, every day until he the end of the alloted time.) during this time, messiah came in the form of jesus, that is to say, that salvation ws at hand just as jesus keep saying. he built a new mountain, which is the gospel, (again the same isaias 2:2 showing the new covenant law will be set up just before the divorce, which is THE END when the divorce is final.)

jesus comes after sixty-two weeks and sets up and then he is killed. messiah is not cut off yet. the covenant promise is still in force for the jewish people. it wont end until the seventy weeks are up.

jesus died for all the sins of the jewish people. he atoned for them  not all jews and people did he make atonement for, just the ones that were under the covenant promise. god doesnt break his word. now jesus descends into hell and frees up the onew that he paid for iof faithful israel,.now you have left, the faithful who are not dead!  jesus saves them by calling them to himself. the ones that are saved, recognized him and CONVERT from the old land (judaism is a land because there is no ancient word for religion)  to the new land and the new jerusalem.

so at his point, all the jews who remained in the old land and worshipped on the old mountain of torah, were lost and their children are all victims of the sins of their lost fathers.

jews for jesus is their remedy but you got to get them away from the old house as far as possible. dont cling to any part of that old temple because you are going to mislead them.

god gave moses torah just like hew gave you jews for jesus. god didnt tell you..."here moishe. take this did he? or tell you step by step what to do? no he didnt and neither did he give moses the torah in that way.


the children who followed jesus were jews both ethnic and religious. and as you say, they being jewish, died jews even thought they became christian. their children are jews to are they not? they were christian jews. a sect of the jews just like pharisees and sadduceses and essenes.  i just might be a descendant of king david.  you call me a goy or a gentile? im offended. dont call me a jew if you if you dont want, it ok...but dont call me something that makes others believe that im less than a jew, because that what calling them gentiles and goys will do to many..

now i know you saw me say many times that the PEOPLE ARE THE TEMPLE and that jesus was the cornerstone. but here let me add that michael, mentioned in daniel 12:1, is the protector of this temple jesus' apostles built.  i dont say it, daniel says... 'michael stands up' . MICHAEL IS THE PATRON SAINT OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. he is the same michael in the daniel parrallel, the book of revelations.

when titus destroyed that temple of herod, it was the end
when titus destroyed that temple, judaism was done.

the new land...christianity
the new mountain...gospel
the new temple...the people of christ

satan wants all to go backwards, back to the old ways.

dont do it, dont teach it.

when one wants to contact you by email, you require that they state jew or gentile?  i cant mark either one!

im tell you friendly moshe, it is wrong to do this and i believe it illegal to boot.

if you join the catholic church which the poster is saying everyone should do, then you must convert because jesus redefined the laws of moses to correct the errors of the people and them peter changed a few and no one can serve two masters.

Do we seem to forget the Torah? in this discussion, and the L_rd said it was the law to be lived by. This was not changed in the Bible. Christians seem to believe that the Torah is to be used for historical reference only. This is the law we live by, or should. The L_rd did not say that now my Son is there, and will die for your sins we can all abandon the Law I gave to Moses, and you people can follow another path. Simplistic, we must by G_ds decree on the Mount follow the Torah. G_d Bless all and my He show you the way in your life

They were Jews and Gentiles who called themselves Christians. It is not a Law that you have to call yourself a Christian. Peter was not called the Holy Father, they new how to Celebrate the Last Supper, they believed a man should be married. They believed Mary was just human. It would be wise to leave the Hebrew people alone as you think your pope is the believers boss down here. We believe Yeshua is! Israel had a problem following men and so does the RCC. Mr. Rosen is trying to convince the Hebrew people that Yeshua is the Messiah. He is not trying to convince Hebrew and Gentiles that the RCC is THEE CHURCH and the POPE is THY HOLY FATHER! The cardinal's bow before man we bow before GOD and we are priests and kings. Jesus is the High Priest not the Pope!

Correction - the first followers of Jesus were all Jewish AND they most certainly were FOR Jesus, hence, they were 'Jews for Jesus'. Their belief in Jesus as Messiah made them 'completed' Jews and they died Jewish believers in Y'shua. The Judiasm they now practiced was fulfilled Judaism - as Paul outlined in the book of Romans, etc. Jewish and Gentile believers were first called Christians in Antioch, as recorded in the Acts of the Apostles. It was given as a term of derision by those who opposed Christ and His message but was gladly accepted as a badge of honour of those who followed Christ.

In my experience in working with J4J, most of the Jewish believers i encountered termed themselves Jewish/Hebrew Christians. I would strongly suggest you, as a Romanist, stop your foolishness of trying to teach Jews who are, as Paul declared, the "natural branch." Many of them paid and still pay a very heavy price for their belief in Jesus as Messiah and most have extensively and exhaustively searched the Scriptures to make sure their belief in Jesus is not in vain. Of all people, a RC should come apologizing for the atrocities committed by their 'Church' against the Jewish people throughout the ages. Shame on you!

That's my .02 on the subject.



Ray

i agree with the origianl poster. If you wanna follow Christ, then you have to be called christians. You cant be following both Judaism and Christianity. there is no "in between",like im ethnically Hebrew(jewish) but converted to catholicism.