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1) Physical threats like pogroms or invasions by Arab armies or Neo Nazis.

2) Threats to the traditional Jewish world view like Jews for Jesus.

3) Threats to exersizeing Jewish tradition (for instance forced conversion).

4) Threats to Jewish Racial purity.
-------A) Largeg numbers of nonjews who beleive they are Jewish with no evidence.
-------B) Mass conversions of nonjews to Orthodox Judaism.

When Jewish people say no to Yeshua these "ghosts" may be danceing around in the back of their mind.  I could be helpfull to enumerate them here and shed light on them to at least understand them rather than be driven subconciously by fear of them.

Like in Sesamee street, "one of these kids is not the same."  

I don't think that evangelization is the same as genocide or anything like that.

I am not sure I totally understand your post, but here it goes anyway


These may be threats to Jewish life, but not to traditional Jewish
observance. And pogroms and Neo Nazis are not really a problem
these days (as compared to the past)


Jews for Jesus, Messianic Jews, these are actually minor threats to
Judaism. But biggest threat to Judasim/traditional Jewish life is
ignorance and assimilation.


That's not really a relevant issue any more.


"Racial purity"? Oh please, there is no such thing as a "Jewish race".
Can  you tell me Chinese, European, Black and Hispanic Jews are
all the same "race"?


Doesn't seem to be a problem; I don't see these people coming into
the Jewish community. However now days with Reform accepting
patrilinial descent, Reform/Conservative conversions not acceptable
to Orthodoxy and other issues, it is often necessary to clarify that
someone is actually a Jew.


What mass conversion of gentiles to Orthodox Judaism?
Sure they convert, but there is no a "mass conversion", and after they
convert they are just as Jewish as any born Jews.


This makes absolutely no sense what so ever, sorry.



Of course not, you are not a Jew. Often I have heard it stated that
when a Jew converts to Christianity, he is finishing Hitler's work.
He may be alive physically, but he is dead as a Jew.

Who's "finishing Hitler's work....[and] dead as a Jew"? Asian-, European-, African-, American-, Hispanic-, Francophonic-, and any other Jewish person is Jewish. Also, why are you allowed to consider one such as Shimon bar-Kokhva to be the Messiah, but another Jewish person can't consider Y'shua ben-Miryam-shelNatzaret to be the Messiah?

Maybe they call it familly purity because you have to be able to give birth to messiah.

They actually had an article in Time about the small number of SY converts.  

There are only about a half dozen.

Everybody knows who they are and no one wants to marry them.

The one about not many nonjews going orthodox is about kind of the same thing.  They don't want to be taken over so they don't evangelize.

I need to add assimilation to this list like you put.

What category would that be?

Is assimilation a threat to familly purity and thus to Jewish life?

There is something brainy about my question and your answer I like.

Maybe I struck a cord.

Bring forth the Holy Hand grenade of antioch.

Thou shalt count three.

If thou countest four thou shalt surely snuff it.

Nobody today believes bar-kochka is moshiach. He died,
didn't fulfill the messianic prophecies, end of story.
He's out of the picture.

??? Do you mean maybe a higher level of holiness, rather than
"family purity"  (which to a Jew means a whole different
thing than what you consider it to be, LOL)


What is a SY convert? And why so few of what ever they are?


???


If you mean Jews, we don't "evangelize" because you don't need to
be a Jew to be acceptable to G-d. And we don't want to be responsible
if someone converts and then fails to live up to his commitments to
follow the mitzvot.
If you mean someone else, maybe you can clarify?


Assimilation is by far the biggest threat to Jews, not the Arabs,
not Jews for Jesus, not Messianics, not neo-Nazis.....assimilation.

Either way it is coming.  Even if you are right and Jesus is not the messiah all will believe in the Messiah when He comes and then your hopes of giving birth to him will be gone and your reason for being a destinct people will be gone so you might as well give up now and accept Yeshua same difference.

SY is acronym for Syrian Jews.  The Time article is called the SY empire.

Tribal purity must be upheld for the Cohenim and the Judeans if you still want messiah.  

This is guarding of the genetic gene pool back to Jacob.

No other races allowed!

Yitzchak ben-Avraham assimilated; because he married a non-Jew, Rivkah, and Yitzchak was the child of the promise or the first Jewish person.