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The point is that Jewish and gentile Christians will intentionally or accidentally sin (Romans 2-3); and even in Torah, the God of Israel made provision for accidental sins, what we call "mistakes".

Why are we talking about this?

Isn't this obvious.  The Catholic church has been this way for years, for about 1500 years -- that's just my rough calculation of course.

And today they continue to hate Jews -- no, that's not what they tell us, but that is the basic fact.

(But hey, it's not like we're the only ones -- they've boiled their own in oil, they rape their own children, occasionally killed Pope's and do all sorts of evil things;  Indeed, I think it's foolish for anyone today to believe these people are the least bit interested in God.)

And it's not likely they are going to change anytime in the future.  Rather I believe we'll see new discrimination and even Catholic-managed pogrom's.

And who am I?  I'm a Jew who has become a Christian (and yes, I remain a Jew!,)  I became a Christian 38 years ago and am a believer and follower of Jesus the Messiah today.  

A couple of other things to keep in mind...

Most important, our God, the God of the Bible reigns.  He has complete authority, he not only know's everything but he also controls everything and nothing whatsoever happens without his approval.

And he loves us very much.  Keep this in mind.  He died for us, and he loves beyond all human understanding, and certainly beyond my ability to describe the magnitude of his love and his forgiveness.

So don't worry about the Catholic's or for that matter anyone who is anti-Jewish.  

Because, very simply, our God reigns'.

That simple slogan, how much it means!

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If you are inclined, how about going to either the "introduce yourself" or "testimony" area and posting your own "story"...I know it would bless me to read it. (But only if YOU feel lead to.)

I'm just one person.

But, my two cents;  I notice that people who are not authentic Christians tend to use other words to describe themselves, rather than just saying they are a "Christian".

For example, most Catholics, who, sorry, but I don't think of as being "born-again" describe themselves as "Catholics" and take offense when someone refers to them as a "Christian".

I used to go out witnessing in my neighborhood, which is overwhelmingly Catholic.  (Well, except for this Jewish boy!)

And when I and my Pastor (this was many years ago,) knocked on doors, in the late afternoon, 19 of 20 homes in which a person was home described themselves as Catholic and made it clear that they didn't want anything to do with Christianity.

(I'll bet they won't be saying that at the Judgement.  Sigh...)

Look at the tradition of Santa-Claus.  Here a child is told lies about a good person and later discovers that he/she was lied to.  And later, well...  I only have my own view, but I personally consider the Catholic church to be kind of an innoculation against Christianity.

The officials in that church rape the kids, and this isn't something that happened once or twice or is limited to only one part of the country.  For more than 50 years that can be legally documented, priests have been raping kids under their care and their church has been protecting them.

And this is only what they do to their own.  To Jews, well -- when they can, they kill us.  Look at World War Two.  Most of the people who were executed or were imprisoned as a result of the Nuremberg trials had a Catholic upbringing.

And it's pretty well documented that the church in Rome had a hand in making sure that Italian Jews were handed over to the Nazi's.  (Yes, I know, today they claim they had no choice, etc...)

By the way, sometime look up a man named Dietrich Bonhoeffer.  Now here was a German Christian!  Here was a man who had a choice and made it.  Here was a man, well, read about him yourself...

Noah Green:

I'm calling you out!!   (This statement is supposed to make you quake in your boots.)

You are a Joy to the Lord and even to us.

I am so glad to be here, we're seeing the course of human history change in ways that it never has before.  

To each of you, thank you for being Christians, thank you for loving God, thank you for leading lives that make a positive difference in our world, for being people that stick out for Christ.

So Noah!,  Enjoy your day.  Our God made it, in part for you.

I can't tell you how many Catholics *I know* who will say they are Catholic and not (most definately NOT) Christians...but in the end I just feel sorry for them. They have been denied the freedom of the Son by the very institution that claims to be His church.

That's all I'm going to say on the subject.

What about all the people who claim to be Christian but insist on judging others??????

(part 1 -- this msg is so long I had to cut it into two parts.)


Yes, the Catholic church is, it seems to me, a kind of innoculation against real Christianity, not actual Christianity.

People who choose to be Catholic don't become Christians.  It's an either - or kind of situation, you can't be both.

Yes, we meet exceptional people and wonder if they are exceptions -- and, very likely, they are.  But that's what they are, the exceptions.

As to whether or not this is wise, saying these things - I am doing this for three reasons;

First, the Catholic church has been and is today a very dangerous institution -- I live in Massachusetts (today,) and two blocks away is the church where "father Porter" did what he's famous for.  And the Catholic church never attempted to chastise him or exclude him, they simply moved him from place to place, giving him new victims.

And that church, well, it's the most prosperous church in our town, it's the most well attended, and they have never apologized for what THEY DID.  They continue, now 40-50 years later, to sweep it under the rug, they don't talk about it and they (the diocese) still protect the hundreds!! (that's the right number,) of child molesters in the ranks of the Catholic church who work as priests in eastern Massachusetts.

As the criminal and civil investigations proceeded wrt what happened years ago, the Cardinal for this area, Cardinal Law, was found to have certain information which, very likely, was of a nature (an administrative nature,) that wasn't privileged.  But as soon as it was evident that he would be questioned by the Grand Jury, the Pope transferred him to Rome.  And he hasn't been back and almost certainly will never be relocated to the US again!

So don't think this stuff is in the past -- I am sure that they continue to molest children today and you and I (the people who are not Catholic,) simply don't know where or who is doing it.

And I think we're responsible to our children (my wife and I don't have any,) but I think as citizens it's important to speak up.

(And this is part two.)

Also, (the second reason,) I am a Jew who has become a Christian and I think we should be active to prevent Catholics from being seen as good models of Christ, because they stink!, and a Jewish person should know that these people are not what being a Christian is about.

But the third reason I am speaking up is that I believe we are approaching the end of this Age, and that the Catholic church is going to commit even greater abominations, and I fear for my fellow man -- Jew and gentile alike.  (I believe the Catholic church is the "church built on seven hills."  Since Paul was a prisoner in Rome as he wrote, he found it necessary to be a little bit ambiguous in his remarks -- but I look and to me, well I think we have abundant evidence to think the Catholic church is anti-Jewish.)

And I don't want younger Christians to be their spiritual victims, I don't want Jews to be their victims, I want people to see the Catholic church as dangerous -- because it is.

And all the child molesting -- that's just a symptom of the real problems, these people are separated from the God of the Bible.

And I fear that that they do have a connection -- just not a connection to Christ, to God, but a connection of a very different kind, to someone else.  This is what child abuse is...

Remember Jesus, one warm afternoon, he sat down and though somewhat tired, submitted himself to the children.  One or two might have sat on his lap, I don't know.

And he warned that one day his Dad would give molesters and the like what they deserved.

To those kids of course, he was as kind and gentle as you can imagine.  Who knows but that years later, some of those kids, as adults, became Christians!

That's who our God is.  He wants us.  He loves us.  He desires to be our friend.  And he sent Jesus to be one of us.

I was talking with my wife about these matters, (she is a profoundly wise person, and highly intelligent too!,) and she mentioned an incident that I thought I should add;

Here it is...

In the 80's, we lived in one of Boston's suburb's and used to go, even though we were married, (gasp!, married people going out and having fun!!,) to a popular Cambridge theatre, as if on a date.  

It was called the Orson Wells.  They had permission to use the name.  It was on the major artery which connects Harvard university with MIT.

Okay, they began showing a movie that was very unfriendly to the gospel of Jesus Christ.  I won't go into the details but it was not the kind of movie that a Christian would go to see.

I was angry, but did nothing.

Some Catholics, however, began to picket the movie theatre.  And when the press quoted theatre management and employees as saying ugly things, these people continued to press their point, picketing the theatre.

What did my wife and I do?  We began to pray for them, (the people picketing!)  In fact, on one occasion, we went by to talk with them.

Today I know a little more than I did then, and from my perspective today, I suspect that one or two of the people manning the picket line might have been the victim of abuse but they themselves, each of them, were true hero's of the Christian faith.

These picketer's, well, I am certain that they are important to God.  And when you read what I've written on the subject of the Catholic church, please remember that I have been talking about the leadership, the management, ie., the priests, etc...


One more thing...  Read this next few paragraphs very carefully because I think the following information to be extremely relevant.

So, after a week or two, I don't know -- their was an accident.  An employee making popcorn accidentally started a fire.  (Remember, this is from memory, and I am discussing something that happened more than 20 years ago.  But I am writing what I recall.)

The entire theatre burned down.  No one was injured, the theatre was empty at the time, except for this one employee who managed to leave the building safely.

But the building was torn down and the land used for another purpose.  So much for the Orson Wells theatre...