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I understand that one symptom of spiritual deadness is a willingness to condemn others as being un-Christian.

I said what I said for the reasons I gave:

a)  I see the Catholic church up close;  I live near Boston and Providence and the newspapers and other media have, over the years, have had HUNDREDS, perhaps THOUSANDS -- I don't know -- of separate cases in which priests have molested children (not one child, but each priest molested many.)  And in court hearings it became plain that the leadership and hierarchy instruments (secretary's, etc...) have known of this problem for at least the past 50 years and in that time, they have chosen only to re-circulate molesters so that they could victimize fresh children.

b)  The above is a very serious sin, and I believe that someone engaged in it, especially someone who is working in the "church" as a leader, has responsibility, if nothing else to remove himself from that position, or face removal by the other people around him.  This didn't happen.  And from this I conclude that it simply isn't safe to believe Catholic's when they say they want to be nice to Jewish people;  Especially in light of what Paul wrote, especially in light of these times, which I think shout "The End of this Age is Coming".

(Make no mistake, a lot more that Jesus spoke about is coming, I only think we're at the very edge of the beginning of the end.)  But, given the fact that Israel is a nation, (one of the signal's,) and that the US is the only nation on earth that helps Israel -- most countries are very unfriendly to Israel, and...

c)  The US has supported Israel because we've been a strong Christian nation (and the Lord has blessed us because of this!!,) but we're changing to be like Europe which I describe as post-Christian, -- Europe is a place where the gospel is no longer respected, where people are separating themselves from Christian values and their Christian heritage, and I see the US doing this too.

And as this happens I see the support we're provided to Israel ending;  

Now, I have pretty much attacked the Catholic church and, sorry, but as ugly as I have been, I have said this because I want people new in the Christian faith, Jewish and non-Jewish to know that their security is in Jesus, is in the Word of God, is in obedience to the Holy Spirit -- who very much makes himself evident and available to Christians.

I fear for Israeli's who don't have the Holy Spirit and, I believe, are easy to deceive.

Those of you who have strong Catholic contacts, strengthen them!  Don't cut your ties with your catholic neighbors.  Make them your best friends.  Love them.  And make sure that you are an excellent example of Christ.

Let them see authentic Christianity.  Let them see how an authentic Christian deals with the problems of life.

I'll tell you, I have had the misfortune to be involved in some very tough spiritual battles, (that's why I mention my wife's circumstances,) I had problems with the state.

And the people on the other side, at least as I saw them, exhibited zero life.  None whatsoever.

In fact I think they came after us because they saw me as a Christian who was defenseless -- I discovered that they had been successful in doing what they were attempting with my wife and I, with other families -- primarily Catholic families and, sorry, Jewish families.  

(They were attempting to cause my wife to be placed in a home, not to return to our home.  A commitment order would have allowed them to do this.)  Although my wife has an undergraduate degree from one of the best schools in the US, and also a master's degree in a very substantial science, at the time she couldn't even talk, let alone remember her home phone number (which meant she couldn't call me to have me come get her.)

Today one social worker now works for an insurance company and one policeman committed suicide, these events happened immediately after I prayed.  (It's a long complex story, I will write it up someday -- I've been waiting because I wanted my wife to be healthy, she is now;  She's incredible!)  Please don't ask me the details, but I do expect to write the story up soon.

So when I say the Catholic church is dangerous, that it's a cult, that it means evil, well..., I wish I could sail a yacht around the world with my wife -- but our God has placed me in other circumstances and I'm trying to reflect the values and life of Jesus Christ -- he's the Messiah, after all.

I will say that for many years I didn't read the Bible, I was in some ways a strong Christian, I helped others (I am an Evangelist.)  But I didn't read the Bible every day.  My wife did by the way, and in spite of her sz is an exceptionally wise person, intelligent person, and she spends her time for our family and the Lord.

But I let myself get 'fat' -- I didn't read the Bible or have sufficient fellowship with other Christians.

And I was a real candidate to be a victim in a spiritual battle.

Today I try to be someone who spends time with God, reading his Word, everyday.

When I was a kid I was drilled in the motto:

If you want to die...trust a Roman Catholic...never forget St.Bartholomew's Massacre"

RC's agreed with Protestants to bury the hatchet...everyone had a banquet all was great and when everyone was drunk and nodding off to sleep the Catholics then massacred the Protestants.
   There isn't an Irish Prostestant that will ever trust a Roman Catholic no matter what the politicians decide. They will all sleep with one eye open and a gun within reach.
  That is thle legacey of the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland.

As for me....I love them as the Lord commands but they are NOT by any stretch of the imagination Christian...Christians follow Christ....Catholics follow the Pope...bow down to idols and worship Mary...totally a pagan religion.

Deut 20-21...

As an ex-European living in Israel, partly understanding the European critics and different approach. Knowing the American boycots towards Israel and Oil-Business rights that the Anglo-Dutch liberals want in the Middle East...

Then I'm not so shure about what you are saying. I can understand that Americans and Europeans don't like eachother that much.
But the amount of Money that America gives to Israel and the Palestinian area's is about the same as the European Union does (than you can add the other European countries next to it as extra's).
The in- and ex-port. Amount of new immigrants etc. from Europe is higher than from the U.S.A.
The way Israel wants to deal and trade with Jordan, India and China is quiet European, but from the U.S.A. they are not allowed to.

Well I know Europe is not always friendly towards Israel. But the U.S.A isn't either. So I partly don't understand why Americans always have to be so proud of themselves?
But anyway thanks for your way off support.

wk~



POPPYCOCK! You and I have had lengthy conversations here for MONTHS...have I once said "Whore of Babylon"? NO. Have I ever once said Catholics are unbelievers, pagan worshipers? NO.

Yeah, I have questioned, criticized, debated, disagreed, even argued...but not once have I made those kinds of accusations. NOT ONCE!

In a bout with YoY, I had to refure HER POINT that non-Christians could be (true believing) Catholics...HELLO! *I* was the one defending Catholicism as a Christian denomination! I didn't see YOU in that thread.

So, don't act like you don't know me, or that I sit on the fence, or change my tune....I DO NOT!

Because I am consistent in MY VERY LOUD ASSERTION that there is no Jew nor Greek, no slave or free, no male of female, no Catholic or Protestant, WE ARE SIMPLY ONE IN CHRIST JESUS.

No caveats, no "further explanations", no "two churches: one visible, one mystical"...no, JUST ONE BODY. Not of Cephas, or Apollos, or Paul, or Martin Luther, or Billy Graham, or Rick Warren...JUST JESUS.

Ripley’s – yes you have defended Catholicism as a Christian denomination.  There’s no doubt about it.  I’m sorry that you were confused by others in the thread as having the same sentiments as Deut w.r.t. the Catholic Church.  However, when you support it as a valid Christian denomination on one hand, and then on the other make statements such as “ .. but in the end I just feel sorry for them. They have been denied the freedom of the Son by the very institution that claims to be His church”, what do you expect?  You are very fond of quoting 1 Cor 1:12 but are you really living it out?

Prophet – You are in great company with others in this thread.  You judge all Catholics based on the motto that was drilled in to your head as a child.  Kind of reminds me of what Muslim extremists drill into the heads of their children.  If only Love, Mercy, and Forgiveness could be drilled in our heads instead.

Well then why does the RCC still call everyone who does not worship Mary or bow down to the idols...or acknowledge the Pope as God on earth heretics?
  A leapord can't change its spots...neither can the RCC as for RC's as individuals they are freindly and need to be shown the TRUE GOD and the TRUE WAY...not the RCC's superstiotion and lies  

wk~



I just feel sorry for them in that THEY DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BEING TAUGHT, THAT THEY ARE CHRISTIANS AND SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM THE REST OF US.

The "true and visable church" doesn't seem to be doing it's job very well when the vast majority of Roman Catholics don't know...because the emphasis is on it's own denomination and not the UNIVERSAL (CATHOLIC) BODY.

*I* can't change that, Holy Spirit lead Roman Catholics have to.

I think that I was reading what you wrote. Maybe you need to write more clearly; and speaking of claiming the superiority of denominations, you seem to have to chutzpah because you seem to constantly imply (if not blatantly preach) that Messianic Jewish denomination is the only truly or fully Christian denomination.

What Tanakh are you reading?



By the way, the Brit Chadashah is the "H" (Hadashah) in "TaNaKH".