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Why Didn't The Red Ribbon on the Head of the Scapegoat Turn White in 30 C.E.?

Le:16:9: And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering.
Le:16:10: But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

First, that whose lot fell to be offered to the Lord, he shall offer for sin: But that whose lot was to be the emissary goat he shall present alive before the Lord, that he may pour out prayers upon him, and let him go into the wilderness .

M't:27:20: But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
M't:27:21: The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.
M't:27:22: Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

1) Yeshua for Sin - the High Priest determined that Yeshua was to be killed not Pilate not the Jews. WHO WAS THE HIGH PRIEST? IT WAS YESHUA who offered Himself, appointed by HIS FATHER GOD. When Peter tried to stop Yeshua he was rebuked by Yeshua. It was God's will that Yeshua should die. God and Yeshua God's Son didn't like it, those who loved Him didn't like it but it was the High Priest's will that He obey His Father. This is why He came down from His Heaven to fulfill the scriptures. The enemies of Yeshua who wanted Him dead had become guilty of murder.
2) Barabbas - a scapegoat representing all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their offences and sins were on him and he went into the desert.

Leviticus 16:15-19 describes a solemn ceremony that was carried out only once each year, on the Day of Atonement. The high priest was to take the blood of the slain goat into the Holy Place—the most sacred part of the tabernacle—and to the mercy seat. The mercy seat was symbolic of the very throne of Almighty God. The high priest acted out the function Christ performs for repentant Christians. Having ascended to the very throne of God by the blood of His sacrifice, Christ intercedes for us—as He has since His resurrection—as our High Priest.
Dan:7:13: I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Dan:7:14: And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
JUST AS YESHUA TESTIFIED AFTER HE HAD RISEN FROM THE GRAVE!
THERE IS THE SON OF MAN! Anti-Missionaries totally ignore Daniel.

The leaders tried to cast lots by shouting to Pilate but the casting of Lots was ended! The Lot had been appointed since man's fall in the garden with Adam and Eve.
Ge:3:15: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

There is a incorrect concept that asserts the reason the scarlet strip of wool did not turn white in the year 30 C.E. was due to the fact that the sins of the Jews were not forgiven because they did not accept Jesus as their Messiah. Actually in 30 AD Yeshua hadn't redeemed His people yet. It would be 3 years later. It was never intended for God to turn the Scarlet wool white that day as the Messiah was to bring in the New Covenant with Israel as in the written in the Tanach. The Old Covenant was to end.
Jer:31:31: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
M't:26:28: For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
God shall be satisfied with the sacrifice of Messiah.
Isa:53:11: He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Joh:12:27: Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
1Tm:2:6: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Then those Jewish people who survive will Zechariah 12:10 and 13:1 and Romans 11:26.

Isa:1:18: Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

The previous passage is now for New Testament believers, my scarlet strip of wool is white, as Yeshua is the Shepherd and I'm His lamb.

Before Yeshua's death and resurrection the Jew would literally either live or die entering the Holy of Holies. Those who believed can now enter into the fearsome Holy of Holies unto the presence of God Almighty because the Blood of the Lamb covers us for eternity and God lives in my heart. The Temple curtain split in half. Not only did this signify that we as believers can go into the presence of our Holy God but at the time the curtain was rent in 2 parts, God departed from the second Temple never to return to that second Temple! Why did He leave! He left because HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON the Messiah was not welcomed by the priests and the Temple Servants. They took it over! And the Temple was destroyed as Prophesied.

Tovia Singer a high profiled non-believing Jewish man wrote: "What makes the Christian use of this Talmudic quote so preposterous is the fact that the miracles in the Temple did not suddenly end in the year 30 C.E. as missionaries would have you think.  On the contrary, the disappearance of miraculous phenomena began immediately following the death of Shimon HaTzaddik, which occurred many centuries before the destruction of the second Temple.  In essence, there was not a sudden watershed event that caused supernatural events to end.  The cessation of miraculous phenomena in the Temple was brought about by a slow spiritual decay among the Jewish people that lasted for many hundreds of years.
FROM THE HORSES MOUTH TOVIA!  JESUS DID MANY MIRACLES IN THE TEMPLE!
M't:21:14: And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.
M't:21:15: And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased,


He also wrote quoting Isaiah: "With the prophet’s reassuring words before us, we can now understand why the miracle surrounding the transformation of the scarlet ribbon was uniquely connected to the atonement achieved through social justice and brotherly kindness rather than blood atonement. If your sins that are as the scarlet-colored ribbon are to be forgiven and become white, indulge in acts of kindness and put an end to murder and baseless hatred. These precious words fell on deaf ears during the last 40 years of the second Temple."
THE BASELESS HATRED WAS DIRECTED AT THE MESSIAH AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE WHO LOVES THE MESSIAH Y'SHUA!
Baseless hatred was aimed at Yeshua. They hated Jesus without a cause as prophesied.
Psalms:69:4: They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away.
Lu:23:13: And Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people,
Lu:23:14: Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him:
Lu:23:15: No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.
Lu:23:16: I will therefore chastise him, and release him.
Lu:23:17: (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)
Lu:23:18: And they cried out all at once, saying, Away with this man, and release unto us Barabbas:
Lu:23:19: (Who for a certain sedition made in the city, and for murder, was cast into prison.)
Lu:23:20: Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus, spake again to them.
Lu:23:21: But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him.
Lu:23:22: And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.
Joh:15:25: But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.


YESHUA is the High Priest, the Sacrifice, the Shepherd and His Name is Salvation the Only Begotten Son of God.

Finally when the Messiah returns and the Temple Sacrifice (Ezekiel)  is reinstated it will represent the Sacrifice of Yeshua.

Heb:5:6: As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Heb:6:20: Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Heb:7:11: If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Heb:7:17: For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Heb:7:21: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec

I think it might help if you explained who Tovia Singer is and why you are answering him.

For those who don't know who Tovia Singer, Mr Singer is a scholar in rabbinical Judaism and a fierce opponent to Biblical Judaism. He is the North American voice against Jewish people believing in Gods Messiah Yeshua. As Darwin deciphered creation and many adopted his reasoning so have many and sorrowfully the Poor taken his lack of understanding of Prophesy as even a longer appendage of Oral Torah which is the written word of the rabbi's and not God's Word. Mr. Singer has gotten his beliefs from those who never walked with the God of Abraham. This form of deceit throws away passages that clearly foreshadowed Israel's Messiah. A plot conceived hundreds of years ago to remove Jesus from the Jewish people. A good example is Daniel and the Prophesy of the Messiah's appointed arrival, which gives no controversy or doubt to the reader. The weight these anti-missionaries have is on the heads of those who dare to challenge them. If one dares then he or she becomes as a leper to the only people they know. What a dilemma! In essence Mr. Singer repairs the wall to keep the Hebrew people shut in a house that has no fellowship with the Creator. Mr. Singer has set his face against Jewsforjudaism of which I’m only a guest on this chat board. He debates Christians and Messianic Jews, has a radio broadcast and publishes his beliefs on the Internet. His tools are to stray from Prophesy and only see history at that moment. That Yeshua never fulfilled what was foretold. It is the same confrontation that the disciples had and Lord Y’shua Himself had. Y’shua who spoke the Words of God His Father Deut:18:15 was rejected.  Nothing can be done to convince these people, not miracles nor reasoning. Positions and family are their authority and as all believers know only the God of Abraham can pull a man to Himself. All of Mr. Singers challenges have been answered. They are happy not having a personal walk with God for reasons they only know.  It is for many of us whos hope is that Tovia Singer will have an awakening from death to life somewhat like Saul who became Paul only too undo the terrible damage he has done to the Jewish people through his brilliant deciets.

Tovia Singer is a missionary.


Maybe, like Shaul, he will come to believe in Y'shua! ...Hopefully before Y'shua comes back the way that He left.

I tried to explain to him (Tovia) once how the payment for our sin had to be equal to or the same as us. I'm not sure if that concept got accross to him. It had to be flesh, the same flesh as ours, for our flesh to be restored and for us to have a clear conscience before God.

I really hope Tovia Singer turns to the Lord to put his faith in Him because there is no other Savior.

Shalom!

Tanachreader, you made a lot of good points.  I'm surprised that your post wasn't rebuked for being too long, though.
Michael Brown is putting out 4 volumes on dealing with Jewish Objections to Jesus, 3 of which are available now.  I can't afford it right now, but from the interview I saw recently, I'd recommended book #2 for you to check out.  

Tovia's pedigree is simply that he is an Aaronic descendant.  When we read or hear him on how he views the passage of Abram beholding a ram, but G-D seeing a lamb, Tovia looks from the point that G-D sees the Pesach offering.  But if this is the case of his reasoning, what is the significance of blood on the posts and lintel?  Was this to demonstrate Pesach on the doorposts were to atone for Israel's violations of the texts in the Mezuzim?  And what of the lambs blood on the lintel that dripped down into the dust, forming a mystical bloody Cross with the blood on the doorposts?  The very gate or door of the house, by which the children will one day go in and out (and find pasture or Goshen), is found in the DOOR / GATE of Yeshua/Jesus Christ.  (cf. John 10:1ff).  But I suspect that the literalist answer might be that these doorposts and lintel represent the 3 coming Temples on Mt. Moriah.  (And behind closed doors, a faint voice declares, "Another Holy Trinity? Oy!")

Jesus is not JUST our HIGH priest, but He is referred to on the next level above the high priest as well, "(Our) Priest, THE GREAT ONE, over the House of G-D." (cf. the Greek of Hebrews 10:21).

Good point about the Temple miracles.  As for the era of Simon the Righteous and the years following: a curious thing occurs in Hebrew Epigraphy.  The letters ayin and the Kaf -- over the next couple hundred years (starting from either the letter V from Arsham or the Edfu Egyptian document years later) -- literally switch places with each other by the time of Christ.  While the Kaf in its upright form becomes the ayin in its upright form, the Ayin (starting out as a "u" shape), ends up as a kaf on its side, (looking more like a backward "c" shape).  There is a Messianic prophetic sinificance to this, showing Jesus as Messiah also, to which I won't go into here.  However, the point is, that we have to show patience, and be able to demonstrate to our opponents that they are not the only ones to whom G-D opens up the revelation of Himself, as One Being in complex unity as both a Triune Ehad (such as in the letter alef) and as a yachid also (such as in the alef).  Keep contending for the faith, good job, and Shalom.

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YOU SEE I ARGUE THAT TANAK IS GOOD FOR PROVING? THAT TANACHREADER IS DOING HERE. AND GOOD JOB TOO I THINK.

BUT,....I THINK HE MISSED ON THIS..... Finally when the Messiah returns and the Temple Sacrifice (Ezekiel)  is reinstated it will represent the Sacrifice of Yeshua.

THE SACRIFICE IS ALREADY REINSTATED, AND IT IS THE SACRIFICE OF JESUS.  IT IS THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS WHERE THE BREAD AND WINE BECOME THE SPIRITUAL BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST. THIS CATHOLIC RITUAL IS FROM THE HIGH PRIEST MELCHISEDEK WHO GAVE BREAD AND WINE TO HIS PEOPLE IN CELEBRATION FOR VICTORY. JESUS WAS VICTORIOUS WHEN HE TRIUMPHED OVER SIN.

ALSO IT FROM THE PASSOVER CELEBRATION. THE PEOPLE WERE TOLD TO PUT BLOOD OF A LAMB ON THEIR DOOR TO BE PASSED OVER BY THE ANGEL OF DEATH. IN THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS, WE PUT THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB JESUS ON THE DOOR OF OUR HEARTS TO BE PASSED OVER IN THE FINAL JUDGEMENT.

THE CATHOLICS GET ALL THEIR STUFF FROM OLD JEWISH STUFF. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK. THEY ARE DOING WHAT THE JUDAISTS SHOULD BE DOING.

GOD TELLS US IN ISAIAS THAT GOD NEVER REQUIRED THE BURNT OFFERING RITUALS OF THE TEMPLE AND THAT HE WAS SICK AND TIRED OF IT.  THIS IS THE TRUE OFFERING THAT THE CHURCH IS DOING.JESUS SAID TO DO IT IN HIS MEMORY.

10: Hear the word of the LORD, you rulers of Sodom! Give ear to the teaching of our God, you people of Gomor'rah!
11: "What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the LORD; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of he-goats.
12: "When you come to appear before me, who requires of you this trampling of my courts?
13: Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and sabbath and the calling of assemblies -- I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

14: Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; they have become a burden to me, I am weary of bearing them.
15: When you spread forth your hands, I will hide my eyes from you; even though you make many prayers, I will not listen; your hands are full of blood.
16: Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your doings from before my eyes; cease to do evil,
17: learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; defend the fatherless, plead for the widow.
18: "Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.
19: If you are willing and obedient, you shall eat the good of the land;

YOU SEE ISAIAS CONTRADICT WHAT JUDAISTS THINK IS THE LAW. GOD TELLING THEM TO STOP THE BURNT SACRIFICING.  

THE LAND THAT HOLD THE GOOD THAT THEY WILL EAT OF COURSE IS THE LAND OF SALVATION THRU JESUS....THE REAL PROMISED LAND AND NOT THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

A LOT OF WHAT YOU MESSIANICS THINK IS GOING TO COME, IS ALREADY COME. JESUS' KINGDOM IS SET UP NOW, NOT LATER.

I CANT BELIEVE I READ IN ISAIAS ABOUT THE DAILY SACRIFICE SO I INVESTIGATED. THE EARLIEST PLACE I SEE IN THE SCRIPTURE DOESNT SAY CLEARLY,  
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ALSO, WHEN ABRAHAM WAS DOING IT, (A PAGAN RITUAL ACTUALLY), GOD APPEARED TO HIM AND HIS PURPOSE FOR DOING SO WAS TO TELL ABRAHAM THAT HE DIDNT LIKE IT.  DID YOU GET THAT WHEN YOU READ IT?  HE TOLD ABRAHAM IF HE IS GOING TO MAKE A REAL SACRIFICE, SACRIFICE HIS SON. THAT MEAN THAT THE ANIMALS WAS UNACCEPTABLE. THATS MY TAKE. AND THEN THERE IS THE ELLUSION TO JESUS HERE. GOD SAYS THAT THE WAY OF GOD IS FAR ABOVE THE WAY OF MAN AND GOD DID SACRIFICE HIS SON WHERE AS THE WAY OF ABRAHAM SON WAS A PASSOVER OR SCAPEGOAT DEAL.

AND HOW ABOUT THE ABRAHMAIC CURSE? HE WHO CURSE ABRAHAM IS CURSED BY GOD. WHAT ISTHAT SAYING? THAT GOD LOVED ABRAHAM SO MUCH THAT HE REVENGE FOR HIM? MAYBE BUT  MY TAKE IS THAT ABRAHAM REPRESENTS  A FATHER OF SACRIFICIAL SPIRIT AND TO CURSE THE SPIRIT WOULD BE TO CURSE THE SACRIFICE OF JESUS WHOSE FATHERS WAYS WERE FAR ABOVE THE WAY OF THE MAN, ABRAHAM .GOD DID WHAT HE SAID WAS AN ACT OF TRUE LOVE, HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON. HOW CAN A MAN BE SAVED IF HE CURSE THIS SPIRIT? I THINK MAYBE HE GOT AN ETERNAL SIN.

TORAH AND TANAK ARE REALLY GOOD FOR PROVING. YOU CAN SEE THE PURPOSE OF TORAH? TO BEAR DOWN ON JESUS?

CAN YOU SEE A SOPHISTICATE WEB OF DETAILS IN ALL OF THE SCRIPTURES THAT BEAR DOWN ON JESUS?  GEORGE LUCAS AND STEVEN SPIELBERG COULDNT SPIN A YARN SO SOPHISTICATE AND DETAILED AS THIS

David,
    I'm unclear as to what position you are taking in the realm of Law and Grace through Messhiach.   Let's address some points, and you tell me what your position is.

    The Jewish Covenant teaches circumcision for an sign of covenant between man and G-D, and this is correct.  However, is it neccessary?  Only if you are a direct descendant of Jacob, and considered fully Jewish by birth.  Is it neccessary for the convert?  If Adam was not in need, nor Abraham, nor the children of Israel who came out of Egypt until they entered into the Promised Land, then who is the circumcision for?  It is a personal sign of personal conscience between man and G-D, even as faith and the circumcision of the heart is also.  Both the inward heart of the man, and the phallus, are hidden away from view.  The outward sign of cicumcision is in keeping the Instructions after the manner of the heart to G-D in a clear conscience.  That is, every man is called -- in his own liberty, by HASHEM's grace -- to be a priest unto G-D after a manner of speaking.  This does not have to be a direct literal sense.  We all pray.  We all intercede on behalf of others.  Same principal.  So what is the Catholic view, or your view on this?

     The Sabbath is also sacred in Judaism.  The Chabad teaches that failure to observe Shabbat strictly is the same as casting away one's soul to damnation forever.  But in Isaiah and Ezekiel, we see that there is a greater and more eternal Shabbat beyond the Friday between the evenings to Saturday between the evenings observance.  With some Catholics, this manifests in things like eating meat other than fish on Friday, or some other man made ritual put forth and self-approved by the papacy and their staff members.  But we have a greater eternal authority of Liberty in Christ to eat and drink and rest in Him daily...although we are called to not abuse or go outside certain bounds that are naturally in place in Creation.  

   My problem with Catholics is not in belief into Jesus...it is faith moreso into a virgin Mary who doesn't exist as a virgin anymore, who is idolized in place of G-D the Holy Spirit. A Mary who is greater and more venerated than Jesus, showing blasphemy and idolatry, as if "G-D and His Asherah" (which helped bring about the 586 B.C. destruction of Jerusalem).  My problem with the Catholic Church of Rome is with the arrogance of "we only are true Christians, and you must bow to me and kiss my ring, etc." mentality.  These err as did the Zealots who caused the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem, and over 1,000,000 of their fellow countrymen, women, and children.  

My point is, not only is Tovia blind, seeing a Roman Catholic Christianity as the primary offense of his "Judaistic" Faith; but many Catholics are blind, repeating the same mistakes that Tovia's ancestors and others made 2000 years ago, claiming religiosity while practicing a dualism and idolatry.  A true son of G-D in Christ, be he chinese, italian, jewish, peruvian, or whatever...is circumcised of the heart by the person of G-D the Spirit, and enters into the eternal Sabbath by G-D the Spirit through the person of Jesus and into the presence of the Father.  This is the true Catholic or Universal Christian, be he in Rome, or somewhere else.  What's your take on this?
  
    

Actually, Tovia Singer has GREAT faith in God and His absolute unity as well as the Torah.

One just has to LOVE how the people here accuse Jews like Singer and myself of being in on some evil conspiracy against Jesus - and that we sin willfully by denying Jesus because Jesus is just so "obviously" all over the scriptures so how can we dare deny him?

This is so hideously antisemitic and revolting.

Question:

From whom were the Jews to learn about Jesus in say the year 400? 510? 730? 983? 1384? 1612? There were no Jews4Jesus or good, theologically sound Protestant christians who didn't harbor hatred vs. Jews. So who were the Jews to learn from to "KNOW" that Jesus was really the Messiah? Where was this "remnant" in all those years? Surely, one would have to admit they were VERY few and far-between since it's probably IMPOSSIBLE to name even 10 "real" christians from the 4th through the 19th century.

Point being........can you really BLAME Jews for rejecting Jesus due to the FACT that the Roman Catholics had SO much influence praying to Mary and statues, killing millions of Jews, believing in replacement theology, etc.? Martin Luther and his hatred didn't help matters much even with the Protestant revolution.

So how can Jews be blamed for "knowingly" rejecting Jesus in some nefarious, grand conspiracy - even going so far as to change interpretations of Isaiah 53, Daniel 9, etc...?

Hmmmm.......

the only conclusion that i can draw from yaakovs post is that the rabbis must be teaching this anti-semetic stuff. is that right they should do it?? of what purpose for the lord is this practice.