If the NT wasn't true then God would never have allowed millions and billions of Bibles with the NT stuck to the OT.
Have you ever noticed no one else has ever as far as I know had the audacity to stick any thing else on the end of the TNK and call it the Bible?
I beg to differ Chad, lots of cults and religions publish the Original Testament with extra material. You yourself gave two examples. Could you clarify what you are trying to say please?
Chad,
I don't think that "G-d" controls what books are attached to what other books. Doesn't the Catholic bible have other books attached to it?
The other reason is that the nt isn't really attached to the "ot". Or maybe it is. You see your "ot" has the books completely out of order.
The Tanach has the books in the original order.
So the nt maybe attached to the "ot", but it is not attached to the Tanach.
Besides, the Torah is written on a scroll. That is G-d's words. The rest were written by men. So there are NO other books attached to the Holy Torah scroll. Not even any books written by the prophets.
Chad,
I don't think that "G-d" controls what books are attached to what other books.
I agree.....He gave us free will. If man chooses to append things
to the Torah/Tanach....it is because G-d allows him choice.
He allows man to choose unwisely as well as wisely.
If the NT wasn't true then God would never have allowed millions and billions of Bibles with the NT stuck to the OT.
Have you ever noticed no one else has ever as far as I know had the audacity to stick any thing else on the end of the TNK and call it the Bible?
Chad,
You make a valid point, but even other believers (like the believer and non-believers) will ask you to prove your point with Scripture, logic, and historical facts. Why, for example, didn't you cite John 1?
Besides, the Torah is written on a scroll. That is G-d's words. The rest were written by men. So there are NO other books attached to the Holy Torah scroll. Not even any books written by the prophets.
Do you mean to say that the prophets did not speak God's words? Or do you simply mean they were not part of the Torah scroll physically?
Baptistic,
The answer to your question is;
I am saying that the Torah IS the Word of G-d, written on scrolls by men. The Prophets were speaking as they heard G-d through dreams.
The difference is;
The Word of G-d is infallible. The words are the prophets and all of mankind is not.
Baptistic,
The answer to your question is;
I am saying that the Torah IS the Word of G-d, written on scrolls by men. The Prophets were speaking as they heard G-d through dreams.
The difference is;
The Word of G-d is infallible. The words are the prophets and all of mankind is not.
Were the prophets speaking the infallible words of God, or not?
Baptistic,
Good questions!
I do not have a definitive answer, but here is my best shot.
The words of the Prophets aren't always clear and are open for interpetation. They are the Words that they heard in dreams from G-d. When you wake up from a really good dream, do you remember every detail? Probably not. So the words that were relayed by the Prophets are not infalliable.
The Torah was spoken to Moses directly by G-d, not in a dream. That is why Moses is the greatest prophet that ever lived. He was the ONLY one to have direct contact with G-d. G-d dictated the Torah to him.
Baptistic,
Good questions!
I do not have a definitive answer, but here is my best shot.
The words of the Prophets aren't always clear and are open for interpetation. They are the Words that they heard in dreams from G-d. When you wake up from a really good dream, do you remember every detail? Probably not. So the words that were relayed by the Prophets are not infalliable.
The Torah was spoken to Moses directly by G-d, not in a dream. That is why Moses is the greatest prophet that ever lived. He was the ONLY one to have direct contact with G-d. G-d dictated the Torah to him.
So the prophets weren't sure if they were accurately relating the true words of God? Where in their writings do they say as much?
Your armchair subjectivity fails. Was King Neb's dream also not necessarily accurate? Was Daniel a complete sham then? and the angel of God giving him information just playing along? The Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman empires would like to know. Your subjective reasoning in green above is indicative of the power and accuracy of other gods, but not YHWH. If you believe that God did speak to the prophets, as in blue above, then it appears as though you seek to disannul what He has spoken by saying, like the false religions say, that God cannot ultimately be known, or is unable to speak through His own prophets. You completely ignore the test in Deuteronomy 18. You actually dispute with Moses when you say the prophets had no more idea of what God really said to them than an everyday dreamer. It's like you have no confidence in the God who spoke face to face with Moses. It proves the word of Y'shua Messiach to the unbelieving rulers, that "if you do not believe Moses, you will not believe Me."