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The law (torah) commandments do not condemn. Yet, they cannot save. That is why Messiah
came later. Some people had a faith seed, enough to please God. Think about Moses, he knew about grace before He was given responsibility for transmitting the law. Joshua got the promise, land and freedom to worship Yahweh by faith. Think of Abraham, how he laughed. Caleb, his Spirit.

Think about it Gentiles, I believe Y'shua was of Jewish lineage. I don't think that we as Gentiles would have any hope without Jesus (Y'shua).
Y'shua studied his law and prophets.
It is important to realize there is one God, fair to all. You see Paul knew
that we are without excuse, knowing that the things we see (Creation), bare witness of our Creator. Yahweh established order, even in the midst of
chaos, and even in the midst of our deliberate choices to sin and the resulting mess we made, He provided a way.

Satan, he is culprit, he soon will be made to pay, for hell and all humanities  past torments are prepared for him.

I think the New Covenant is realized through the conviction of the Holy Spirit, that is now in the world, (the Spirit of Christ). The Satanic deceit of sin gave the law it's strength, but what the law could not do, in that it is weak through the dust of our flesh, Christ took and nailed to a cross and destroyed the power of the sin that dwelt in it. Where else might we go?, except to the cross and Y'shua's bleeding side?

We sit, as it were at the empty tomb, expecting as the Holy Spirit was in them that did testify that day, waiting for our redemption, as we were promised, the blessed return of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. As you walk, think of Him and no greater love than that He gave His life for us,
that the law of the Spirit of Life in Him might dwell in us.

Come quickly, Lord Jesus.
Glory to God, rejoice in His Love for us.

That doesn't make Torah "the lesser of two goods." Besides, the point of the Torah was the Shema and Micah 6.

Who said the Torah is lesser of two Goods? If your salvation is based on Torah observance you are under a curse. Without Y'shua the Torah would have no purpose.

Have nice day G. O. Y.

Cor,

With all due respect, I don't think your statement is valid;
"If your salvation is based on Torah observance you are under a curse. Without Y'shua the Torah would have no purpose."




How can you say G-d's gift to mankind is a curse? That is bordering blasphemy. The Torah has GREAT purpose, if you could only understand it. It always did and always will. With or without jc.


165 Great peace have they that love Thy law; and there is no stumbling for them.

8 The law of HaShem is perfect, restoring the soul; the testimony of HaShem is sure, making wise the simple.

9 The precepts of HaShem are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of HaShem is pure, enlightening the eyes.

10 The fear of HaShem is clean, enduring for ever; the ordinances of HaShem are true, they are righteous altogether;

11 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

12 Moreover by them is Thy servant warned; in keeping of them there is great reward.


I'll take G-d's great reward. No mention of messiah needed.

Every year the High priest would go into the Holy of Holies. The church's High Priest is in the Heavens, after He met the genealogical requirements, and the offering of himself, once for all for our sin. The law makes men priest's who had to offer for themselves, as they were sinners. Y'shua is not a sinner. He didn't miss the mark. Remember the voice, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased."?

I agree with you- that Jews concentrate on "this" life, as the "christian" concentrates on the "next". Yet the one who is a Christian and a Jew inwardly or by bloodline, is thankful and aware and concentrating on both.

BTW,

I don't think we are so far ahead of our time that the term "Christian"
conotates anything more than it did when the Jewish converts were first called Christian. For example, There are some of us who say, Well
He says He is a christian, lets hold Him to it, or lets see how much He can take before He looses his cool. See 2 Peter 2 verse 3 Or lets be his friend and reap some of the benefits. I think you know.

Ceremonial laws, food laws, sacrifices and circumcision were not requirements. Many examples, David-shewbread, Y'shua's disciples- corn
This is the foresight of Y'shua, not making them an issue. He provided a way to the Yahweh even before the Temple was destroyed, opening the door for gentiles to recieve their justification by faith.

You did not read me close enough SMR......

Torah OBSERVANCE as a method of salvation brings you under a curse. I did not say Torah was not a gift. The blessing of Abraham is also for all.
The blessing of Moses was that He believed God, NOT perfect obedience.