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So much for checks and balances.

Constitution Party, you now have my vote. The argument that said that my vote would just be a throw away vote if I voted the constitution party just crumbled to pieces. My vote, apparently, doesn't count anyway. (Will the marriage amendment that I supported still find its way onto the ballot in November, or has that been nullified by this ruling, too?) Charles Baldwin for President!

It seems to me when a democratic vote aligning with God and morals is overthrown by a handful of judges that that would constitute a tyrannical government. Am I wrong? We would not accept "taxation without representation." Will we settle for representation without actuation?

May God raise up righteous politicians and men of courage who will contest this ruling and contain these judges.

May God move in His people to VOTE, considering a pitiful 20% of people elible to vote actually do. We get what we deserve if we don't participate in the process. The leaders we have were sent there by US (collectively). Either directly, or indirectly by our abdication. teh responsibilty falls in on our shoulders, the power given to us by the Founders.

RE: throw away vote/Constitution Party-- GWB, if he did NOTHING else, appointed conservative Justices and judges.

Keep in mind that it is Congress that makes our laws, not the President. The best he can do is be a cheerleader for a cause, and gain support for it 1st through his supporters (usually of his own party), and try to gain momentum.

So, we should focus much more on our Senators and Representatives then on the President when it comes to what kind of society (via laws) we want. Not to mention state and local politicians.

I live in California. Believe me there is an all out frontal assault on us and our values. The family is COMPLETELY under attack. Not just with marriage, but what is going on re: homeschooling, and parental rights. It's frightening.

And it's a global assault, too. Foster children taken from homes in Britain because of Biblical views of the foster parents regarding gay lifestyle. Children taken from their OWN PARENTS who homeschool in other countries because of religious persuasion and teaching: Christian.

I wonder if inter-racial marriage would have been a minority view when the courts ruled it was legal?

Or was it a minority view to allow blacks to vote when it was legally changed?

Ripley:

I live in the Pomona area. And I am a high school teacher. And I agree with you. I am dreading the day that I have to quit because I won't teach the homosexual/bisexual/transgendered curriculum coming our way. But if God watches over sparrows . . .

Maybe about the CP. But it was a Republican governor that put in the judge that made it 4 to 3. And McCain is certainly not conservative enough for me. When Arnie loves you, you've got issues. But I was inspired recently to vote 3rd party by a guy from Wallbuilders who came to my church. Is the Republican who is running really in line with what God intended for this country?

You are absolutely right about senators and representatives, though. And I forget that.  You are right to correct me about the role of president.

Sad what's happening in Germany, too, in regards to homeschooling. At least Arnie stopped it from happening here . . . for now.

So, African-Americans and other people of African descent should have no rights according to Torah? Homosexual marriage and skin color are two different things, and the G-d of Israel specifically makes marriage to be monogamous and heterosexual.

We understand that all that's happening; but kvetching about it might mean bupkis or more attacks. Also, there are other states in which to live, and think about the acharithayamim.

simchat~

Are you trying to make a parallel between being black and being gay.

If so, strawman. One is behavioral and the other genetic.

btw~ re: civil rights movement (1800's AND 1900's)-- forwarded by the Republican Party. Fought against by the Democratic Party, still racist today.

Learn history here: Nat'l Black Republican Assoc.

That's apples and oranges....

Gay sex is against nature and rebellion against God.  The examples you give aren't even in the same league.  Want your kid indoctrinated that gay sex is fine and Oh by the way kid you have a better than 50% chance of contracting AIDS from your buddy?

The Constitution is based on Jewish scripture. The Constitution had previously given blacks the ability to vote--all humans have the God given right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." And the assumption of the Founding Fathers was that a family was a male/female unit with posterity--in the commentaries on the Constitution, the pursuit of happiness was linked with leaving property and monies to posterity. Kind of hard to have posterity without that male/female combination back in the day, isn't it? Since marriage was considered between a man and a woman and blacks count as human beings with God given rights, interracial marriage was then implied legally. Even though the Founding Fathers may not have like the idea, they gave it legal standing in the laws. Not so with homosexuality. Consider also that the Founding Fathers, in their individual states, made sodomy a crime.

However, think of the alternatives: Bustamonte (Ca gov)?? Obama (prez)??

We do the best we can with what we have, IMO. And what we have to choose from falls on our shoulders too. Our "crop of presidential candidates" comes from us. Local levels (governors) or nat'l reps (senators/congressmen). No matter how we cut it, the power, and responsibility, is OURS.

I really struggle with the upcoming vote. I am not a naive voter. I am very informed. (Maybe too much so. LOL) At this point in history though, I would not be able to live with MYSELF if I helped, in any way, vote IslamoNazi appeasers into office.  So, at this point, that is the focus of my vote. I understand the convictions of others, and don't force my view on them. However, if I had it my way, our GOP nominee would be Duncan Hunter. Too bad no one did their homework before the early primaries/caucuses. He was out by the time our (CA) early primary took place, but still on the ballot, so I voted for him, as my "protest vote". He was right on re: Middle East, border, trade, abortion, marriage, etc, etc... with a LONG voting record (including authorship of several PASSED laws...which now are in the process of being gutted by our congress). I not only voted, but volunteered for his campaign. I was a supporter from the start of his campaign...about a year ago.