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"Yodh Heh Wah Heh" is "Yud Heh Vav Heh". Hallelu Yah for the Native Americans, some of whom did not forget YHVH-Yisra'el while in America; even though many at the time did not hear of Y'shua shel-Natzaret until the Europeans came to America. But from the dealings with bnei-Gad to bnei-Menashe, the prophecies of Y'shua shel-Natzaret have proven.




We handed the Natives over to tribulation, and we hated them and considered them savages; and many of the Native Americans betrayed each other (i.e., Malitzin), and prophecies can be fulfilled in more ways than one.

I found this YouTube link for Yodh Heh Wah Heh

Talk about trying to trace one's family tree!  The validity of the claims I could not begin to assess, as this is just one video.

I think there was a great deal of hatred and name calling coming from both sides.  If the Indians had had their wish, the Europeans would have all gone away in one fashion or another.  The Europeans wished likewise for the Indians, to one extent or another.  But God overruled the concept of complete destruction and here we all are.

The Southern Baptist affiliated intertribal church I attended said they had no words in their native language to distinguish Father, Son, Holy Spirit so they used their traditional religion's name for their god.  Bibles are printed using it.  The people really strive to retain as much native cultural identity but sometimes at the expense of identity with Christ, I think.  But then, don't we in our American culture?  It makes you think, after you have viewed it from a distance, how close it really is to home.

Oh geez, where do I begin? Native American's original "religion" is pantheistic in nature. The drum they beat in PowWows is their means of communicating to Mother Earth and is a sacred drum (to them). Many of them were forced into Catholic boarding schools as children (older generations) and by and large HATE the white religion because it came via the white man.

Whenever I see someone connecting Christianity or Judaism to the Native Americans, the first thing I assume is that they are either espousing the Armstrongs' ideology of the lost tribes of Israel being found in America or Mormons who do the same thing.

The fellow in the video on YouTube seems to be working out his own brand of "theology" because he is just another white person wannabee Indian. QuietBuck:


Hogwash.

He has a nice page on the benefits of marijuana too. What a surprise there.

Goy and Baptistic, Sorry to be coming down so hard on this but it is too far a stretch to get Jehovah G-d out of tribal chantings. Way too far.

*end of rant*

chow_woman, responding to your post #3:

Right, and drums are a bane to the native pastors who are trying to maintain a separation from this in their worship.  The pro-drum native believers pressure the anti-drum believers to incorporate drums into worship.  I would sympathize with the anti-drum POV because of what they (like you) have explained to me about this issue.

Genuine believers do struggle with racial hatred issues within themselves.  This is partially alleviated by trying to learn about their needs before diving in to "help."

I am aware of ideologies such as Armstrongism's and Mormons concerning the Jews.  I wrote a thread about "nons" attaching their aspirations to a particular group as ultimately not being helpful to that group.  We must present ourselves as being content with who we are and not manipulating another group in hopes of gaining favor with God.  This the cultists do; in addition the practice of syncretism between Christianity and whatever false religion does not manifest in a desire for Christ but for the host pagan culture.

Hard to tell what YouTube Guy really is, especially online.  His disclaimer is not unusual for American Indians to express in one way or another.  It can be considered by Indians "more Indian" to claim to be not that Indian.  Most American Indians at this point have, if not white blood mixed in, quite a mixture of other tribes.  Their experiences vary greatly from one tribe to the next, one reservation to the next.  One can be extremely impoverished and another doing quite well.  They are the only group in America to qualify by bloodline percentage for not only federal recognition and money but for tribal affliation or "belonging."  You can be discharged from a tribe if some other bloodline dispersion shows up later.

At any rate, I thought the item would speak for itself.  We have to be careful.  Thanks for adding your piece, because perhaps my response was too subtle.  I did not want to come down hard on GOY either.  Also I would note that I knew a Jewish believer from a Christian choral group that used prescribed marijuana for pain.  I am against legalization.  What to do?

The problems I experienced with the Indian church I described only surfaced with the realization they were using the tradition religion's god's name for God.  They said, "because the first missionaries told us it was okay."  The realization that the source of their continued pain is that they are clinging to the old gods in this way was something like your reaction:  where do I begin?  As it was, the pastor froze me out and it was an uncomfortable and sad breaking off from that little group.  The church building is gone now, last time I visited the area.  It is just sad, and like I was reflecting, we have to guard against worshiping the wrong god (our own culture), thinking we are worshiping the Lord of Glory.

I once read an account by a member of the All Pueblo ruling body describe how his people came to the Americas by ship from the middle east.  They certainly believe it for some reason.

Before getting too misty eyed about the Innocent Savage remember that human sacrifice was common to all the great tribes -usually war captives - and nearly all tribes had a tradition of what can only be called "razzia" - raiding other tribes for slaves and/or sacrificial victims.

Let's not forget - in case you haven't seen "Apocalypto" yet - the great religious practice of the Americas.
I doubt any tribe of the middle east ever sacrificed 30,000 humans in one day as the Mexica (Aztec) did.
Then there are the mysterious Anasazi, about whom it is speculated that all of them succumbed to Mexica hunting parties.  A forensic investigation of an Anasazi ruin revealed that one of its invaders fouled the kiva hole of a dwelling there by defecating in it.  This fecal matter when analyzed was found to contain an enzyme found only in human flesh.  So apparently one of the raiders ate the victims, then in a parting gesture took a dump in their holy of holies.
Sound like awful people to me.

However there is the doctrine of Baptism by Desire.  In short, one who loves and lives the ways of the Lord, who keeps the commandments without ever having heard of them - a "righteous gentile".
It doesn't matter what form you profess; the Lord loves those who keep his commandments, especially if they never heard of them; the Lord wants all men to live by them, and if some in unknown realms do so then the Lord is delighted by them.
Those who never had a chance at circumcision or baptism, but lived out the commandments, would be taken under the doctrine of Baptism by Desire. Perhaps the Anasazi were such people.
The Commandments are universal.
There were some like that among the Native Americans - but they were on the endangered species list of the major form of the Americas - the cultural human sacrificers who did so as part of their normal existance.

It is creative malarkey to opine that the "western" religions were any kind of a step down - sorry that won't stand up to scrutiny.

God bless you.  

Thanks for your reply, too, Baptistic. I hope I was plain enough through my sarcasm that I'm not in favor of pot use. I've never done drugs (illegal) and don't do legal ones if I can avoid it.

In what state or tribe was the native church that you mentioned?

Vikings also had human sacrifice.  Now, I am partially descended from those folks.  Happily, the gospel came.

chow_woman, if you don't mind, I would like to decline to identify the state or tribe, because of possible recognition of the actual church even with such a generality.  I don't wish to come down on that church in particular beyond as a general example of what I observed during a brief exposure to Indian culture and thinking.

In general, if your church plans to send a group to help or witness, please ask the host pastor in advance for some simple guidelines on their practical needs, their sensibilities and perceptions so that your group does not inadvertently consume much of his time putting out fires.  Listening is considered polite:  If an Indian has listened to your telling of the gospel, be sure to listen to his telling about his beliefs.  

A word to the wise - I know a Crow holy man who could teach in the best rabbinical school or seminary.
They aren't ignorant.
The best course is to help a NatAm missionary rather than try yourself.
Ho-hoka-heya.

God bless you.

I have heard preach, a black man that knows 9 fold truth about three fold prophecy. He loves Yahshua.

The gold rush and racist miners helped instigate a lot of racial hatred esp.
in the midwest, Arizona and New Mexico, on the way to Calif.

Geronimo's first encounter with the white man was peaceful, they traded skins and hides for food and supplies. He had actually said
something to the effect that He liked them.

After peaceful Cochieece was attacked, he let go with Geronimo the Cheeroquoya, for his family had been killed by Mexicans.

The US was unfair at times due to the retribution for the killings of Native
Americans. Very unfair... some died from tuberculosis in prison/reservations at the turn of the 2oth ctry.

I would venture today to say most Native Americans today do not make Geronimo a "god" or hero.

Shalom and Peace to you.

It took the wounded knee (AIM) uprising to create enough media attention to get Americans to try and understand some of the history of the Native American. (1973)