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Perhaps, Baptism (and variations of contextual applications) simply means 'immersed/coverd/filled/cleaned/married' to Messiah?

Food for Ponder:

Webster:
Baptize
BAPTI'ZE, v.t. [See Baptism.] To administer the sacrament of baptism to; to christen. By some denominations of christians, baptism is performed by plunging, or immersing the whole body in water, and this is done to none but adults. More generally the ceremony is performed by sprinkling water on the face of a person, whether an infant or an adult,and in the case of an infant,by giving him a name, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, which is called Christening.
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KJD:
Baptize
To immerse; to dip or dye a thing.

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be BAPTIZED every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Act_2:38-40)
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KJC:
G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
Total KJV Occurrences: 80

baptized, 61
Mat_3:6, Mat_3:13-14 (2), Mat_3:16, Mat_20:22-23 (4), Mar_1:5, Mar_1:8-9 (2), Mar_10:38-39 (4), Mar_16:16, Luk_3:7, Luk_3:12, Luk_3:21 (2), Luk_7:29-30 (2), Luk_12:50, Joh_3:22-23 (2), Joh_4:1-2 (2), Joh_10:40, Act_1:5 (2), Act_2:38, Act_2:41, Act_8:12-13 (2), Act_8:16, Act_8:36, Act_8:38, Act_9:18, Act_10:47-48 (2), Act_11:16 (2), Act_16:15, Act_16:33, Act_18:8, Act_19:3-5 (3), Act_22:16, Rom_6:3 (2), 1Co_1:13-16 (5), 1Co_10:2, 1Co_12:13, 1Co_15:29 (2), Gal_3:27

baptize, 9
Mat_3:11 (2), Mar_1:4, Mar_1:8, Luk_3:16 (2), Joh_1:26, Joh_1:33, 1Co_1:17

baptizing, 4
Mat_28:19, Joh_1:28, Joh_1:31, Joh_3:23

baptizeth, 2
Joh_1:33, Joh_3:26

baptist, 1
Mar_6:14

baptizest, 1
Joh_1:25
wash, 1
Mar_7:4

washed, 1
Luk_11:38
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Part two of three:


Strongs:
G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.
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Thayer:
G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe
3) to overwhelm
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from a derivative of G911
Citing in TDNT: 1:529, 92
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KJC:
G911
βάπτω
baptō
Total KJV Occurrences: 3
dipped, 2
Joh_13:26, Rev_19:13
dip, 1
Luk_16:24


Strongs:
G911
βάπτω
baptō
Total KJV Occurrences: 3
dipped, 2
Joh_13:26, Rev_19:13
dip, 1
Luk_16:24

Thayer:
G911
βάπτω
baptō
Total KJV Occurrences: 3
dipped, 2
Joh_13:26, Rev_19:13
dip, 1
Luk_16:24
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Example:
Mat 3:14  ο3588 T-NSM  δε1161 CONJ  ιωαννης2491 N-NSM  διεκωλυεν1254 V-IAI-3S  αυτον846 P-ASM  λεγων3004 V-PAP-NSM  εγω1473 P-1NS  χρειαν5532 N-ASF  εχω2192 V-PAI-1S  υπο5259 PREP  σου4771 P-2GS  βαπτισθηναι907 V-APN  και2532 CONJ  συ4771 P-2NS  ερχη2064 V-PNI-2S  προς4314 PREP  με1473 P-1AS  

Mat 3:14  But1161 John2491 forbade1254 him,846 saying,3004 I1473 have2192 need5532 to be baptized907 of5259 thee,4675 and2532 comest2064 thou4771 to4314 me?3165
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Part three of three-"A":


Baptism with Holy Spirit:

Eze 36:25  Then will I sprinkle2236 clean2889 water4325 upon5921 you, and ye shall be clean:2891 from all4480, 3605 your filthiness,2932 and from all4480, 3605 your idols,1544 will I cleanse2891 you.
Eze 36:26  A new2319 heart3820 also will I give5414 you, and a new2319 spirit7307 will I put5414 within7130 you: and I will take away5493 (853) the stony68 heart3820 out of your flesh,4480, 1320 and I will give5414 you a heart3820 of flesh.1320
Eze 36:27  And I will put5414 my spirit7307 within7130 you, and cause6213 you to walk1980 in854 my statutes,2706 and ye shall keep8104 my judgments,4941 and do6213 them.
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Tit 3:5  Not3756 by1537 works2041 of1722 righteousness1343 which3739 we2249 have done,4160 but235 according2596 to his848 mercy1656 he saved4982 us,2248 by1223 the washing3067 of regeneration,3824 and2532 renewing342 of the Holy40 Ghost;4151
Tit 3:6  Which3739 he shed1632 on1909 us2248 abundantly4146 through1223 Jesus2424 Christ5547 our2257 Savior;4990
Tit 3:7  That2443 being justified1344 by his1565 grace,5485 we should be made1096 heirs2818 according2596 to the hope1680 of eternal166 life.2222
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Baptism by Messiah:

Mat 3:11  I1473 indeed3303 baptize907 you5209 with1722 water5204 unto1519 repentance:3341 but1161 he that cometh2064 after3694 me3450 is2076 mightier2478 than I,3450 whose3739 shoes5266 I am1510 not3756 worthy2425 to bear:941 he846 shall baptize907 you5209 with1722 the Holy40 Ghost,4151 and2532 with fire:4442
Mat 3:12  Whose3739 fan4425 is in1722 his846 hand,5495 and2532 he will throughly purge1245 his848 floor,257 and2532 gather4863 his848 wheat4621 into1519 the3588 garner;596 but1161 he will burn up2618 the3588 chaff892 with unquenchable762 fire.4442
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end of three-"A" (Control said this and 3B comprised a 'too long....')

Part three-"B" of three


His promise:

Act 1:4  And,2532 being assembled together with4871 them, commanded3853 them846 that they should not3361 depart5563 from575 Jerusalem,2414 but235 wait for4037 the3588 promise1860 of the3588 Father,3962 which,3739 saith he, ye have heard191 of me.3450
Act 1:5  For3754 John2491 truly3303 baptized907 with water;5204 but1161 ye5210 shall be baptized907 with1722 the Holy40 Ghost4151 not3756 many4183 days2250 hence.5025
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1Co 12:13  For1063 by1722 one1520 Spirit4151 are we2249 all3956 baptized907 into1519 one1520 body,4983 whether1535 we be Jews2453 or1535 Gentiles,1672 whether1535 we be bond1401 or1535 free;1658 and2532 have been all3956 made to drink4222 into1519 one1520 Spirit.4151
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I used KJV+ (w-Strongs numbers) for other 'not so smart' people, like me.

Shalom in His covering, of Love, Guidance, and Grace.   Arley

P.S. Sorry my first multi-page came out like a deck of cards.  I'll learn the rules, as they nail me to the door.  Shalom

However, wk, if baptism is central and, in fact, necessary for salvation why did Paul say, "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel..." right after saying that he is GLAD he baptized "none of them"?

In the view you and wilby are forwarding baptism is the gospel. But that's not what Paul says:
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved *it* is the power of God." What "it"? Baptism? No, "the preaching of the cross"...where it is finished. We can add nothing to that for our salvation.

One cannot respond in a faithful manner without having faith to begin with.

BTW~ wk, you aren't saved according to wilby either. You were baptized "wrong"-- "in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost" is WRONG according to wilby.

Wilby is also a pantheist: Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and we are one in Them/Him... He is "all in all"...everything.

Careful who you align yourself with, wk.

I have come to the opinion that wilby is here only to drive traffic to his website. He has cut and pasted everything from there to here...I think he is trying to generate income by increasing traffic to his site to sell ads there.

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/1pet3.htm


not sure if I post this already or if I accident click exit before i did.


But I think we are both wrong to think a water baptism Now.


But to me even if it was a water baptism my case I bring stills stands by my side.

You see Ripley 'wk' as you put it has not sided with me. He is stating a historical fact and he knows more about historical facts then us all.

Your arguement about Paul is week, try reading exactly what and why Paul is making that statement. But be assured baptism saves.

I have no ads on my site so again Ripley puts her foot into her mouth for all to see.

All you non believers are sure making me tired.

I need a break from you guys.

Read my posts or visit my web site while I take a rest. Really, take some time and increase your knowledge of how the Jewish fathers baptized in the early days. Even that Benjaminite the Apostle Paul, he truely new the meaning of salvation as he is the father of many churches. To be a church you must be in the body of Christ and filled with the Holy Ghost and Baptized into His name---Jesus.

Get Saved!

willby alot of false doctrines came in the baby years of the church and this is one of them.



I will not say because people believe this and that they are not saved.


true believers Can be trick and God will deal with us in his time.



I wonder if you look at that site.


I thought peter was talking about water baptism.


But look it says


1 Peter 3:21


21also to which an antitype doth now save us -- baptism, (not a putting away of the filth of flesh, but the question of a good conscience in regard to God,) through the rising again of Jesus Christ,


Now the question is which baptism?


peter making it clear that this baptism does not clean from sin.

Excuse me, but you most certainly do have ads on your message board.


Paul is most definately not preaching against baptism. (And neither am I, for that matter.) But what he is saying is that that was not the focus of his ministry.

My point in quoting him is that IF baptism was essential to/required for salvation, he would have baptized EVERYONE, not just a few, who are so few that he can list in two sentences. He didn't. He preached. Because that is where the power lies.

I misunderstand nothing regarding this.



You are adding to Paul's words, which you have to do to support your claim. Fact is, those words are not there.