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Made up salvations are from thiefs and robbers.

John 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

Knowing the truth? The truth is The Doctrine of Christ - THE FAITH - the washing by regeneration (cleansing of sin)
Believing in Him? Believing alone will not save you - act on His Words.
He is our salvation? Yes He is -- if we follow Him through the regeneration
Gift from God? Yes it is, but again, we must follow Him.
Saved by Grace? Only if you are saved by the regeneration.
Through faith? Personal faith does not save you--Only 'The Faith' saves.
Not by works? Our good works will not save us -- His works will.

It all comes down to following YahuShuah Messiah through the regeneration process as He stated.

Jesus said to follow Him through death, burial and resurrection by baptism into His death and we are raised in the likeness of His resurrection. All by regeneration and this my friends is the doctrine of Christ -- this is The Faith that will save you.

YOU ARE SAVED BY 'THE' FAITH NOT by PERSONAL FAITH!

Titus 3
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
(kindness and love is God's grace)
So are we saved by grace? ONLY if you are saved according to His words.

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
(our good works will not save us)
but according to his mercy he saved us,
(by His Grace we are saved--by His mercy we are saved)
(How are we saved?)
by the washing of regeneration,
(by baptism into His name)
and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
(Christ in you is our hope of Glory after you remit the curse)

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Salvation comes through YahuShuah Messiah

I can say that I am saved by God's grace.
I am saved by His mercy.
Only because I have followed Him in the regeneration.

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

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willby



Ephesians 2:8 (Amplified Bible)
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8For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved ([a]delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God;




your faith is the personal faith you confess in messiah

Knowing the truth? The truth is The Doctrine of Christ - THE FAITH - the washing by regeneration (cleansing of sin)
Believing in Him? Believing alone will not save you - act on His Words.
He is our salvation? Yes He is -- if we follow Him through the regeneration
Gift from God? Yes it is, but again, we must follow Him.
Saved by Grace? Only if you are saved by the regeneration.
Through faith? Personal faith does not save you--Only 'The Faith' saves.
Not by works? Our good works will not save us -- His works will.



again wilby water baptism is something we must Do our self.


This is a work.



The baptism that saves is baptism of the holy ghost.



This baptism is done by The Lord himself and we had nothing to do with it.


Jesus said to follow Him through death, burial and resurrection by baptism into His death and we are raised in the likeness of His resurrection. All by regeneration and this my friends is the doctrine of Christ -- this is The Faith that will save you.

YOU ARE SAVED BY 'THE' FAITH NOT by PERSONAL FAITH!


http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/1pet3.htm


wilby I would read that it includes all the verses your trying to teach water baptism that saves.




itus 3
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
(kindness and love is God's grace)
So are we saved by grace? ONLY if you are saved according to His words.

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done,
(our good works will not save us)
but according to his mercy he saved us,
(by His Grace we are saved--by His mercy we are saved)
(How are we saved?)
by the washing of regeneration,
(by baptism into His name)
and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
(Christ in you is our hope of Glory after you remit the curse)

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

Salvation comes through YahuShuah Messiah

I can say that I am saved by God's grace.
I am saved by His mercy.
Only because I have followed Him in the regeneration.

Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


again your confuse on water baptism  and holy ghost baptism.



I will just post what that site says

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/jn3v18.htm#VI




and this

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/baptism.htm#SEVENIIIB4




and this.



The sections I posted includes all the sections that you trying to to teach water baptism.




If you have time you should really read It.




It goes in the greek meanings of baptisms and what they do.



I think this is something you need to learn.

until you read those sites and debate also by trying to not just show your side but studying The other side I am done.




I guessing you had not read thsoe sites and  I suggest you do.



everything you posted is mention on that site but in the right format.



One thing you learn on that site in the greek the baptism that saves unto

life is passive.


Do you understand this?   something you can not do at all on your self because  God is the one who does baptism of the holy ghost which shows your salvation.

Me handing you (Wibly) a mirror.

Another High Priest, another Jesus, another gospel.

Scripture rebukes you.

Surgarman you are not following the doctrine of Christ as I have shown you. You just keep repeating what another man has said to you or you just copy and paste his statements.

I am only interested in scripture and you should be as well.
I will not comment on something that I have shown you in scripture to be true. If you don't accept it then carry on following a thief and a robber.

I am not here to mislead--

I bring you the Doctrine of Christ-- The Faith

I bring you salvation through the Word of the Father.

He sent me here for a reason as I have tried to leave but he sends me back.

The words that I speak are not mine but He that sent me.

I know it is new to many but it is not new. It is the original teachings that have been hidden and are now being revealed again in these last days.

Become a new creature in Christ by being part of His resurrection. I don't take away from scripture -- I add to it -- but not add as it was always there.

Follow Christ Jesus in the regeneration and the rebirth washing away your sins and rising out of the waters a new creature in Christ.

This is a wanderful truth--it redeems us back to the Father. We are His again and if we make to the end He will call us sons.

He would be a proud Father. It is a difficult walk at times but our suffering can not be compared to the glory and riches He has for His elect.

In Christ

wilby Your  are very confuse i will try to help you to understand

V) [Jn 3:5]:

(v. 5) "Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and spirit."

OBSERVATIONS:

Jesus answers again that no one can enter, i.e., see, the kingdom of God unless he is 'born of water and spirit' or 'spiritual', ('pneumatos' can mean either). And He further explains this with the next verse 'Flesh gives birth to flesh but the Spirit gives birth to spirit' out of or by water. When we compare verse 6, 'flesh gives birth to flesh but the Spirit gives birth to spirit' with v. 5's 'born of water' out of the spiritual realm; we are left with water being symbolic of God the Holy Spirit Himself as the only Agent in the spiritual realm or any realm Who can perform a spiritual birth.

Recall that verses 1:12-13 stipulate that one who believes on His [Christ's] name is "born of God" which is also indicated in 3:3 as literally being "born from above". This narrows down the One Who performs regeneration to God Himself = God the Holy Spirit. This operation is outside of the physical realm as stipulated. Hence born of "water" = born of God the Holy Spirit.

So what does He mean?

According to v. 6, it is evidently a spiritual birth our Lord is speaking about which is brought about by God the Holy Spirit = an actual birth in the spiritual realm by the Holy Spirit - excluding anything to do with the flesh, i.e., excluding the physical realm and thus excluding any human doing like water baptism.

Hence 'born of water' in v. 5 cannot mean physical water. It must be something symoblic of the spiritual world.

Let us look at the Greek text in v. 5. We have 'gennEthE ex hudatos kai pneumatos' = 'born out of water and [born out of] spirit or [the] spiritual. One clue as to what the word 'water' means in v. 5 comes from a careful examination of the phrase 'kai pneumatos' = 'and [the] spiritual' which is directed by the verb and preposition 'gennEthE ex' = 'born out of'. The phrase 'kai pneumatos' indicates that one is born out of 'pneumatos' = 'the spiritual', i.e., the spiritual realm out of or by water. Thus when we view verse 6's statement that 'flesh gives birth to flesh but the Spirit gives birth to spirit' and the statement in v. 5 that we are born again out of the spiritual realm by 'water'; we are left with water being symbolic of God the Holy Spirit Himself.

A) BORN OF WATER AND SPIRIT = A SPIRITUAL BIRTH VIA THE EXCLUSIVE WORK OF GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT

The original text for the first phrase as the apostle John wrote it and under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, (2 Tim 3:16), looks like this transliterated into English:



continue

http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/jn3v18.htm#VA1Bi