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Ephesians 1:13 (King James Version)
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13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


you should note this verse say very clear after the person hears the gospel and Believe the gospel after hearing it one is saved.


Just go to show in the new testament as soon as the people believe what the apostles were saying they were saved and were baptism because they are believers after They accept The gospel and not after baptism.



baptism comes after those people accept on what the apostles said and  that , that lead to salvation romans 10-9-10 that they confess with there Mouth that what was taught was true.


They were baptism to show there new faith.


it no wonder why the apostles said believe and you shall be saved and waited for the answer before baptism.


if baptism saved they would of not separate both statements.

A textual issue with Mark 16:9-20



http://www.carm.org/doctrine/Mark_16_16.htm

Sugarman teaching his bible study again --- doctrine of man.

A question for sugarman:

If someone believes you say he is saved --What if that person stops there and does not get baptized is he still saved? YES or NO


Why bother with baptism at all Sugarman? Just believe, just trust, just have personal faith, just make up your own religion or support another man's self made salvation Sugarman---

Obviously the Doctrine of Christ means nothing to you.

The scriptures on regeneration and following Christ means nothing to you.

Jesus said to go to all nations baptising in His name means nothing to you.

The ONLY thing that means anything to you Sugarman regarding salvation is to repeat your man made religion rather then follow Christ.

Don't worry as your not alone.

By the way---thanks for continually messing up this thread by all your post.

Wilby:  You revile the sugarman's posts as man's teaching, yet here you present yourself to primogenit for anything you might learn from him about Jesus.  Well, here you are; dig in:

From the For those who think Jesus is the Almighty God himself thread:

Post #1Post #4Post #9Post #21Post #27Post #29Post #34Post #38Post #46Post #48
I could go on, but primogenit has over 900 posts at these forums.

Those who have believed on Jesus take your fearful unbelief with the same abhorrence:
The Catholics also are not sure of their salvation and strive to do enough good works to make it if they possibly can.

To sum up:  Folks like primogenit and Wilby have not known the way of salvation at all, having rejected in unbelief the inifinite merit of the person and work of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God.

Wilby,

It's ALL doctrine of man.

When did jc write anything? NEVER.

So how are we to know what is really what jc said, and what is doctrine of man?

Especially if there are conflicting views from within the nt itself?


Pick and choose I guess.

Sugarman teaching his bible study again --- doctrine of man.



so wilby even due something can be proven that it was not there to begin with you call it doctrine of men?


well you are self-rightenous so it would not matter what proof i can give from the earlier manuscripts you still deny it.


if someone believes you say he is saved --What if that person stops there and does not get baptized is he still saved? YES or NO


why would he stop there? I never met a person who did not want to get baptism.


willby I think I answer this one before its a work unto obedience after  one is saved.


Since one comes a literal new creation in Chirst after there belief The holy spirit will put in The desire to do what God wants.




wilby The Doctrine of Christ is  eph 1:13 period.



it when one accpets and Believe Jesus died for there sins.



baptism like I said before is a symbolic what the holy spirit does for us at confessing.



The bible says the holy spirit seals us at the moment of believeing not  at the moment you are immersion in water..



1 peter 3:20 says also This baptism does not remove the flith from the body.


willby there no other way to read this, then that this baptism does not clean you from sin and why?


it simple that something the holy spirit did at confessing and the baptism an symbol of what the holy spirit did.




Willby it you who denied The clear proof from earlier scripts Many oldest ones  do not hold mark 16:16.


You call it doctrine of men I call it self-righteous to not admit when proven wrong. .



Clement who is a friend of the apostles who is EVEN MENTION IN  THE NT

comment nothing on mark 16:16 and why because it was not there at the time.




I guess it does  not matter to you.


from reading your comment on mark 16:16 It clear you do not want to accept what been proven.



read this for your self



Philippians 4:3 (King James Version)
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3And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.



and read the link







  

Get baptized to show your faith??

Why not just where a T-shirt to show your faith?

How about this sugarman.

There are ten flights of stairs in front of you and you want to get to the top but your really not sure how to get there safely. So someone tells you how--by taking one step at a time, don't rush and drink some water but drink slowly. You say Okay, I understand now. The person helping you says do you believe you can get to the top okay? And you say, I believe in everything that you just told me about reaching the top.

But you don't take the first step--but you believe--but your still on the ground--but you believe in everything he said to you--and your still on the ground.

Is believing enough?
Or are you required to do something on your own to get to the top?
I know your a believer but you MUST take the first step, then the next step. WHY?- BECAUSE believing in something is not enough --- doing what it takes to follow that belief/doctrine will get you there.
--or else you are believing in vain.

Believeing is the first step towards salvation---NOW apply His blood to your life. Believing that the blood will save you is not enough.

YOU need to act on His word and follow His commands--then salvation awaits you.

Christ Jesus said; FOLLOW ME!

Where, how do we follow you Jesus?

Follow me through the regeneration and become a new creature and you shall be saved.

What should we do?

Be baptized in the name of Jesus and remit the curse from your life plus all your sins up to that day--Then be filled with the Holy Ghost/Christ.

Come on everyone--FOLLOW ME!

Thank you Jesus/YahuSHuah -- I will follow you.

Written not just for Sugarman but for all people all races all religions.

This is the Doctrine of Christ--not found in the O.T.


Amen

Wilby,  You are talking as did Shaul, with your "follow 'me' as I follow Him."  My question is:  If we have to follow another man to Messiah, have we gained any real ground from 'being under the Law?'  Aren't we baptized in the Spirit, when we submit out existance over to Messiah?

So, now I toss this small bone into the arena of pitt bulls, where no one is listening, only yelling.
To one and all, Shalom.  Arley

Wilby,

Quote;
"This is the Doctrine of Christ--not found in the O.T."

Amen



SMR:
You got that right!

Nothing in the Original and Only Testament.

Mis understanding -- I was saying follow me meaning Jesus is saying follow me -- not me saying follow me.

How about I say follow Him -- better!

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