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wilby already answer john 3 with scripture and The greek usages of the words.


http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/jn3v18.htm#III

I understand that Jesus was talking to the twelve and He also told them what their specific reward will be -- I know this.

But everyone must follow Jesus in the regeneration but not all will sit on the twelve thrones.

Just to see the kingdom we must be born of the water and spirit.
Water by baptism and Spirit by the Holy Ghost --combine the two and you have the regeneration of Christ doctrine--The Faith.

Jesus said to follow me. HOW?

By being baptized--planted in the likeness of His death and we are raised in the likeness of His resurrection being filled with the Holy Ghost.

This is the REGENERATION -- BEING REBORN!!  New creatures in Christ.

Baptism remits ALL the sin then the Holy Ghost comes into us and we are in the body of Christ. We are also in the new covenant with better promises.

COMMUNION remits our sins after baptism as this also touches the blood and body of Christ --His blood of the new testemant.

suggest you to read john 3 the site  I posted willy.


I understand that Jesus was talking to the twelve and He also told them what their specific reward will be -- I know this.

But everyone must follow Jesus in the regeneration but not all will sit on the twelve thrones.


your adding you meaning to scripture when infact it not talking about what you cliam.


You do not get it.



you do not gets acts 2:38


Repent [plural] (and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, [singular = after being forgiven and Holy Spirit received],) for the forgiveness of your sins [plural]. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit [plural].'



Nor do you understand that baptism is a noun not a verb. The verb is the literal action on what taking place.   The Holy spirit is what does this action  literal (verb) baptism shows and testify of this action of what the holy spirit did  (noun)

sorry, I've been gone....backtracking now:

Wilby~


YES! The person who confesses Jesus as their Savior and places their faith in His atonement is SAVED.

You need to look into the OT as to the importance of baptism. There is no redemption in baptism, it is an OUTWARD SIGN OF AN INWARD CHANGE, A SHOW OF CONVERSION. But THE COVERING HAS ALWAYS BEEN BLOOD. The redemption of Israel with Passover (and Christ is our Passover lamb) was WITH BLOOD. God provided for Abraham (and Isaac) a ram... which Abraham sacrificed; SPILLING IT'S BLOOD. The High Priest would enter into that Holy of Holies once a year, WITH THE BLOOD OF ATONEMENT.

There are parallels for a reason, Wilby. HIS BLOOD REDEEMS, COVERS, AND ULTIMATELY WILL CLEANSE US. Baptism is important, but NOT ESSENTIAL TO SALVATION.




"Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light." Matt. 11:28-30




Are you saying Christ was regenerated when He was baptized? (Wouldn't surprise me....) -rolling my eyes-




There is no "doctrine of Christ not found in the OT"...He is the beginning and end of the law, writings, prophets, and fulfillment in the NT.

You don't understand the beginning, no wonder you are confused. Study up!



MISQUOTE, you mean. Your avatar says it all: YOUR "apostle" is who you follow. And you link your own website which is also full of misinformation and scripture twisting.




Why quote that scripture when you say that Jesus told us wrong? ("Baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is WRONG", according to your false prophet and you, as stated on your website, and in a thread here somewhere.)

You are in disagreement with the body of Christ here. You are in disagreement with this website; Jews For Jesus. And MOST importantly, you are in disagreement with Christ Himself.

If I were you, I'd be a bit afraid of a spanking from Abba.

Wilby don't forget what comes with true forgiveness and apostolic teaching.

(Luk 5:23)  Which is easier: to say, `Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, `Get up and walk’?

(Luk 5:24)  But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.... He said to the paralysed man, I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.

Your conviction on water baptism has missed the mark by trying to force your personal faith and legalism on others! Repent!

Thanks for the scriptures.

You see that a man had to be forgiven of sin to be healed but that was not salvation to be healed.

There is also another sin that needs to be remitted at baptism before the Holy Ghost can come into a person.

Baptism does many things for a person such as being reborn and being cleansed of ALL sin.  

NO MAN can see the Kingdom of God except he be born of the Water and the Spirit -- REGENERATION.

Jesus taught a new doctrine so I suppose I do too!!  His Doctrine--The Faith that saves you--NOT personal faith.

Remission of sins is N.T. Atonement is O.T.
Remission of sin---------Covering of sin ..........Big Difference.

Christ was regenerated through the cross and resurrection -- Christ said to follow Him in the regeneration -- by being baptized--planted into His death and we are raise in the likeness of His resurrection.
NEW Creatures in Christ.

Baptism and being filled with the Holy Ghost is our only hope.

This is how we follow Christ---HE said FOLLOW ME !!

Don't believe me -- believe the apostles, the deciples and Christ Jesus.  They said the same thing as I do.

This is the New Testemant Salvation that everyone must adhere to.

Baptism in the N.T. puts us in the N.T. covenant. It is the same as circumcision in the O.T. and MUCH more.

READ what I said--it is ALL there--I have not made up any of this.

All this reasoning and strife!?

Wow!

I have one point to make?
If we trully Love Jesus and we KNOW He is LORD, then way would we NOT want to take HIS wonderful name upon us in Baptism?

"Jesus" is by far the most increadible glorious name that is above ALL names, So why would anyone who LOVES HIM refuse to have Jesus' name called over them in baptism?

It make no sense to tell the lover of your soul that you would do anything in HIS name But Baptism...

For me it is not a case of "You MUST be baptised in Jesus' name"
but rather, GLORY TO GOD! I get to be baptised in that resplendant name of Jesus! What Privilage! What Grace! What amazing adopted Sonship is THAT!?

I know that we all here Love Jesus with all our hearts...So, why don't we all just jump into the water and get baptised into His name as an act of worship and reverance to Jesus?? If for no other reason then that HIS name is WORTHY of all our surender and Praise!

I love Jesus, and even though I have been "saved" for over 20 years, when I soon take my journey to Israel, I fully plan to be re-baptised as an act of worship in the Jordan river at it's opening to the Galilee, and when I do I will have it done in Jesus' name for His name IS Way More then worthy of this act!

Glory to God in the highest!
Hosanna!

And another thing...
Some of you said that Baptism is a "WORK" and not grace..

One time, a minister told me he believes a person is saved by Ephesians 2:8 and not Acts 2:38. but he was wrong…

It is not an either/or matter. It is not being saved by Eph 2:8 OR Acts 2:38.

To me being saved by Acts 2:38 is being saved thru Eph 2:8.

To be able to believe in Jesus, is the grace of God.
To be able to repent of my sins, is the grace of God.
To be baptized in the precious name of my savior for
the remission of my sins, is the grace of God.
To receive the gift of the Holy Ghost is the grace of God.
Finally, to learn the ways of holiness and righteousness, IS THE GRACE OF GOD.

steadfast there are many things willby just push a side that would put a dent in his views.



First Lets take a look on baptism its  noun not a verb.   The verb is what litert takes action and that is The holy spirit.  Baptism being a noun represent what The holy spirit Does.



Now lets take a look on the texture grammar of acts 2:28.



Repent [plural] (and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, [singular = after being forgiven and Holy Spirit received],) for the forgiveness of your sins [plural]. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit [plural].'


as in John 3  



if we want to keep thing in texture context read this.



http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/jn3_observe.htm#VI

willby loves quoteing scripture but when it comes to keeping  it in the texture grammar you can forget it.