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Wilby, responding to your post #288:
How did John writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit identify the water to be?

John 1:1 - Is Jesus the Word? He is.
John 3 - how are we born again? by the Spirit.  How? by looking on Jesus, made sin for us, just as the serpent was lifted up in the wilderness.
John 7:37-38 - Is Jesus the water of life? He is.

The Holy Spirit takes the water of the Word of God and cleanses our conscience, applying His blood in our stead; and by the power of the Holy Spirit we are born again, regenerated.

Christ is the Word, the Water of life; Christ alone has the cleansing power to wash us clean.  Not murky baptismal waters.  Don't drink that water.  Drink Christ.

RELIGIOUS brainwashing has contaminated the truth about salvation in being baptized into His name.

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No your brainwash so much by your prophet so much that when it comes to texture grammar You annoy it.


you annoy the basic understanding of salvation.

Yeah, that's what I did.... OBVIOUS SARCASM. -rolling my eyes again-

Ok, show me just one place in all of scripture where anyone was Ever Baptised with the words "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" called over them...

You cant... Because it is NOT THERE...
Because it never happened...

But what WAS recorded in Scripture.
what DID happen?

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:16
For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Romans 6:4
Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Jesus the man died for us and was buried in the
tomb and rose again to eternal life!. Like wise we too need to be buried with Jesus Christ in baptism, so that like him we too can be raised into a new life in Him.

Bottom line the apostils knew what the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and thus they baptized this way in the Book of Acts…over and over again.

Ac 4:10-12  
10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 This is the 'stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.' 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

The apostils did not get Jesus command wrong to "baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

By Baptising "in the NAME of JESUS, "yeshua", they fullfilled it perfectly and with utter understanding...

For me this is a "No Brainer"...
If it was Good enough for the apostils, it HAS to be good enough for ME...
AND YOU TOO!

I am not a trinity believer--the Son is from the Father and the Holy Ghost is from the Father --the Holy Ghost is Christ -- Jesus resurrected the Christ...Notice that Paul writes Christ Jesus. Therefore there is still only two--the Father and the Son -- and like I said before although the Father gave life to the Son the Father is actually the Son BUT this is for a deeper understanding of the Godhead. Just be concerned with your salvation according to scriptures.

Christ in you is our hope of Glory!

Reborn into Christ at Baptism into His name--which are reborn a new creature in Christ.

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Jesus revealing His Fullness to the deciples

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Yahushuah or Yesha or Jesus -- IS ALL three and ALL three and ONE

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

ever read matthew 28:19?



Matthew 28:19 (King James Version)
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19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

You  seem to not understand When baptism The father son and holy spirit are one at essence. You are being baptism in the full GodHead, not that all 3 being The same person.


If you want to try to make matthew 28;19 ne all 3 the same then you would have to deny greek grammar.


Because when we read in THE Father in THE name of the son and in THE holy spirt.


The greek has all 3 articles being not being The same.



You can read this site for the greek grammar of mattre 28:19



http://www.velocity.net/~edju/web/Trinity7.htm

Can God save those who are not baptized but have faith?  Of course he can.  How do you know this? Is this scriptural? The scriptures say that we are saved by THE FAITH--the Doctrine which includes Baptism. ONLY after we are saved can we have personal faith that our salvation will save us.



willby again you can not even support your claims by keeping God word in texture grammar.

SO this to me just means your giving a new twixst on what you think is The Faith then what the bible really says in the texture grammar The Faith.



But the ordinary(ORIGINAL) plan of our salvation is through both faith AND baptism.  The Faith and Baptism


yawn again willby ALL you even did and repeat what you were taught, At least I my self what I was taught put it to the test with texture greek grammar you should do the same.


And the proper method of baptism is in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
In the name of Jesus/Yesha is how ALL/everyone Baptized in the early days---so according to you All the Apostles were incorrect including Paul--the father of many churches.


They understood what they were writting willby You do not understand there wrttings. really if you want to understand pick up a greek lexicon.




9 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Yahushuah or Yesha or Jesus -- IS ALL three and ALL three and ONE


One in essence Yes but not in all 3 being The Son Jesus.


This is a fine example how you deny greek grammar I will give you The reading how this is read in greek in english.



When you see The word The in amtthew 28:19 being mention all 3 times  in  the understand of the greek this separates all 3 being The same making them each there own person but all 3 in one essence.



For more clear infomation read this.


The definite article "tou" (the) before Son and Holy Ghost indicates that they are all different things or persons. The grammatical rule in Greek for determining whether a single thing or person is meant, or different things or persons is meant, when "and" appears, is called the "Granville Sharp rule." The basic rule is as follows:

    "If two nouns of the same case are connected by a "kai" (and) and the article (the) is used with both nouns, they refer to different persons or things. If only the first noun has the article, the second noun refers to the same person or thing referred to in the first." {Curtis Vaughn, and Virtus Gideon, A Greek Grammar of the New Testament" (Nashville: Broadman Press, 1979), p. 83.}"

The presence of the article "the" before Son and Holy Spirit where all three are connected by "and" indicates three separate persons. The singular use of "name" implies that each has a separate name

wkirscher: And the proper method of baptism is in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Steadfast:...show me just one place in all of scripture where anyone was Ever Baptised with the words "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost"...

Faith: 'Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.' Matthew 28:19-20 (Jesus' words just prior to Ascension from Mt. of Olives)

Again, none of these are examples (recorded historic events) of a person getting baptised in Scripture...

I have given you 4 biblical examples of people ACTUALLY being baptised with the words "in Jesus' name" being called over them...

All your answers suggest that the apostils messed up the command...
When they accually got it right... by fullfilling it thru "Jesus' Name" as aposed top merely repeating it with titles...

So again, show me just one place in all of scripture where anyone was Ever Baptised with the words "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost"...

This is pretty simple...Why do you refuse to see it?
Is the pull of the dead religion of Mamma ROME that strong?

All I am asking you to do is to honor Jesus' name in baptism...and for some reason you refuse...

How odd and backwards is that, for those who claim to Love Jesus?