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"RELIGIOUS brainwashing has contaminated the truth about salvation in being baptized into His name."


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I profoundly agree.

stead fast they did not mess up the command it you who wants to deny The Understanding of the language it was spoken and what it means in the language.

Since they did not mess up the command...Then WHY did they Baptise saying "in Jesus' name" over and over again?

Seeing as to how Jesus as the Holy Spirit did not do it...
I suppose you should have gone back in time and corrected thier ignorance of Greek...

No, it is you who sit their splitting gramatic hairs in a lame attempt to support a baptism that simply never happened...  until 200 or so years later...

Come on, Fallow the Apostils doctrine, simply Do what THEY did...

The solution is clear and obvious...
The only way the apostils ever baptized in scripture was "in Jesus' name".
How hard can this be?

You just do Not get It.



Being baptism in Jesus name is being baptism in The Godhead all 3 are ONE in essence.


When you are baptism you are being baptism in The full essence of God that How I see it but not all being exactly The same.


it like then somone gives you a birthday card for your birthday and it from your friend that says from me and the rest of mine family.


even due  They are family there are not all the same person and even due Fater son and holy spirit are not on in being the same person, they are one with essence.


People=family

God= one in essence.



No, it is you who sit their splitting gramatic hairs in a lame attempt to support a baptism that simply never happened...  until 200 or so years later...


So me showing you The meanings of greek words and what they mean is spliting grammatic hairs?



UMMM I Think I go with The Greek that are very clear  on showing The trinty then to believe a doctrine which has little support from grammatic wise.  

BAPTIZING IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON, & THE HOLY GHOST (1 of 2)

Steadfast: ...no... examples (recorded historic events) of a person getting baptised in Scripture...'

Faith: I see what you're saying. You want scriptural 'proof' of an Apostle baptizing 'In the name of the Father, the Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.'

Hopefully this helps:

1. Jesus is the only head of the Church: 'Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,' Ephesians 1:21-22 (Ephesians 5:23, Colossians 1:18)

2. Jesus' last commandments as He ascended were: 'And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach *all* nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.' Matthew 28:18-20

3. Items 1 and 2 are Christ's preeminent mandate to baptize *all* in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost. The acts of the Apostles are submitted to Christ's words and actions, not otherwise.

4. Not one of the scriptural cites you mentioned detail the exact wording used at a literal baptism because it's not in scripture. It's in Christ's command at Matthew 28:18-20. Therefore, it cannot be assumed they weren't baptizing according to Christ's command, since Christ gave them wording and He is *the only* head of the Church.

BAPTIZING IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON, & THE HOLY GHOST (2 of 2)

Jesus said to baptize *all* men (nations) in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

1. Jesus' name is the linchpin, without His name there is no baptism (mikveh).

2. The Jews knew the mandatory name of HaShem (The Father) in the 'mikveh' (baptism) per Torah (The Law). They knew the gift of the Ruach HaKadosh (Holy Spirit) in mikveh (purification) since Sinai. (Moses, Aaron, the 70, King David, Samson, Elijah, Elisha, etc.)

a. The name of Jesus was new to the Jews.
b. The name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Ghost was new to the Gentiles.
c. Therefore, it was vitally incumbent upon the Apostles to emphasize Jesus - the absolute requisite.

Cited - Acts 8:16: This baptism verse is contextually Acts 18:12-16. The full verse mentions 'kingdom of God' 'the name of Jesus' and 'receive the Holy Ghost.'

Cited - Acts 19:5: This baptism verse is contextually Acts 19:1-5. The full verse mentions receiving 'the Holy Ghost' 'John's (The Baptist) baptism (which 'mikveh' was in the name of the Father since he didn't know Jesus' name until Jesus first appeared for mikvah 'to fulfill all righteousness), and 'believe on 'Christ Jesus'.

Cited - Romans 6:4:  This baptism verse is contextually Romans 6:3-4. The full verse mentions 'baptism...Christ' 'The Father' 'walk in newness of life' (scripture is clear that the *only* way one can walk in 'newness of life' is through the empowerment of the Holy Ghost given at baptism.).

Cited - Acts 4:10-12: This verse is contextually Acts 4:7-12 regarding Peter healing at the Temple and there being no other name *under* heaven *given among men* whereby we must be saved.

Acts 4:10-12 confirms the necessity to emphasize Christ (Items a. through c.) since prior to Christ mikvah's focused on HaShem (The Name) and Ruach HaKadosh (Holy Spirit).

God bless.

Scripture suggests the possibility of baptism in Jesus name or in the name of the Blessed and Most Holy Trinity.  What did the Apostles pass down?  There is an early Christian document  (c. 90 A.D., not 200 years later) that was given consideration for the canon of scripture called the Didache which means "Teachings of the Twelve".  In this document, we have extra-biblical proof that baptism was done in the name of the Trinity.  You can read it for yourself.  
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/didache.html.
It is often very useful to turn to these writings to see what was passed down by the Apostles, i.e. how were they intructed by Jesus and how did they interpret scripture.

Faith – nice clear and succinct post.  One thing disputed among Christians is the purpose and effects of baptism.  Some contend it is merely symbolic while others see it as one of the many means by which God gives us grace:  cleansing one from the stain of original sin, an indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and entrance into God’s covenant family.  Do you see baptism as merely a symbolic gesture or do you see it as something more: an indwelling of the Ruach HaKadosh, a mikveh (purification), entrance into a covenant relationship and new life (Rom 6:3-12), etc.?

If any of you fully understood what Baptism does for us then you would also see the need for His name to be invoked or made part of us.

Father Son Holy Ghost does NOT give us His family name--The old testemant saints received a new name and so do we and it is NOT Father Son Holy Ghost.

example: My name is Smith and I come in the name of my Father--also named Smith.

Christ Jesus came in His Father's name--YahuShuah(YHUH) Christ Jesus being the ONLY begotten Son would have His Father's name.
It is this name we are to be baptized into so we can be part of this great family and when we are part of a family we receive the blessings and riches and the inheritance of the family.

We receive His name when we are baptized and we receive His Spirit when we are raised out of the water-- WHEN we are reborn into His family washing away our sins in the regeneration.

Baptising in titles will not give you any identity whatsoever. Titles are NOT a family name.

Do we heal by titles? Do we pray by titles? When referring to Christ Jesus do we just call Him 'the Son' or do we get more personal and call Him Christ Jesus our saviour?

Take on His name folks and becomes members of the body of WHO? the Son? or more personal the CHRIST.

We become members of the Church of the Son or the Church of Christ?

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Jesus is telling the deciples that HE has been given ALL power. AND His name has the power to save men from death. Go and baptise into Jesus Christ as this is the family name of the Son and His Father--Christ being the Holy Ghost.

Hebrew--Yahushuah Messiah ............  English -- Jesus Christ

I must say that I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit when writting this post. I hope you do as well.

BAPTISM (1 of 2)

wkirscher: Faith – nice clear and succinct post.  One thing disputed among Christians is the purpose and effects of baptism. ...

Faith: Thank you wkirscher.

Initially, I assumed baptism was symbolic or optional as is commonly reasoned. But, since our basis is always scripture it became clear that 2 through 4 are actually scripturally correct.

wkirscher: 1. Some contend it is merely symbolic.

Faith: I read that here. It's not correct since it's actually Christ's direct command.

'And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.' Matthew 28:18-20

Mikveh (baptism) extends back to Aaron's purification (mikvah - baptism) requirements. Torah.

'But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.' 1 Peter 2:9-10 (Gentiles ingrafted into Israel - Romans 11)

'One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (mikveh)' Ephesians 4:5

wkirscher: 2. Others see it as one of the many means by which God gives us grace:

Faith: Scripture shows it's part of our grace.

'Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:5 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.' Mark 16:16