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BAPTISM (2 of 2)

wkirscher: 3. Cleansing one from the stain of original sin:

Faith: Amen. Scripture says,

'Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? (Original sin cleansed)

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (New life)

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: (United with Christ)

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.' Romans 6:3-7 (Free: Not 'lawless' but free)

4. An indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and entrance into God’s covenant family. An indwelling of the Ruach HaKadosh, a mikveh (purification), entrance into a covenant relationship and new life (Rom 6:3-12)

Faith: Amen. Scripture says,

'Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.' Acts 2:38. 'But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:' John 15:26. 'And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.' Ephesians 4:30

Well... obviously you asked questions you knew the answers to. Good for you. I just learned more about baptism! Thank you.

Blessings in Yeshua

Kapow!
i felt it!

What wilby said!

I am so pleased to hear that baptism is coming to the forefront of salvation.

I have and I still am being trampled upon regarding this subject and I have felt frustrated but the Holy Ghost will prevail in me and in you.

Jesus said to follow Him and we can do that in baptism. Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

After baptism and the receiving of the promise we are new creatures in Christ---why are we new? Because this has never been done before--Christ is the first He is the Head of this new creature and then we(baptized & Holy Ghost filled) are members of His body.

Get Baptized in his name -- reborn into His family and receive all the blessings of the almighty Father. His gift to us is His life line, the Holy Ghost for as long as we stay connected in Christ we shall live. He is the vine and we are the branches ...

John 15:4
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Amen

willby for oneness my  challenge is for you to  back it up with  not with oneness understanding of scripture but with how the greek reads the scriptures.


Can you do this?

xample: My name is Smith and I come in the name of my Father--also named Smith.

Christ Jesus came in His Father's name--YahuShuah(YHUH) Christ Jesus being the ONLY begotten Son would have His Father's name.
It is this name we are to be baptized into so we can be part of this great family and when we are part of a family we receive the blessings and riches and the inheritance of the family.


if this was the holy spirit guideing you then it would also match 100 percent to how The scripture reads.



Another such prooftext is John 5:43, where Jesus rebukes the Jews: "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him." Oneness writers consistently interpret "in My Father's name" as meaning that Jesus' name is the Father's name (i.e., Jesus is the Father). (16)

However, the expression "in the name of" here clearly means "in the authority of"; thus the person whom Jesus warned would come "in his own name" will come with "no credentials but his own claim." (17)

To receive someone who comes "in his own name" is therefore, according to Jesus, a foolish act. This contrast between "My Father's name" and "his own name" proves beyond question that Jesus did not come "in his own name." Therefore, "Jesus" is not the Father's name, and so Jesus is not the Father. Ironically, then, this is one of the clear prooftexts against the Oneness doctrine that Jesus is the Father.

Also cited to prove that Jesus' name is the Father's name (and therefore that Jesus is the Father) is John 17:6, 11-12. Oneness writers emphasize that Jesus "manifested" the Father's name, and that the Father "gave" His name to Jesus, as evidence that Jesus is the Father. This interpretation overlooks the fact that a human father can give his name to his son, without the father and son being one person!

Moreover, notice that Jesus said twice that His disciples were "in Thy {the Father's} name." If we interpret this phrase in the sense that the Oneness believers assign to it in John 5:43, we come to the ridiculous conclusion that the disciples are the Father! The Oneness interpretation simply does not work. Since, as even Oneness writers acknowledge, God's "name" represents His character and His power, (18) and since in the context Jesus is asking the Father to keep the disciples holy and united (17:11-12, 15-23), it is apparent that Jesus is saying that He possessed and manifested the character and power of the Father.


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Water baptism not does save.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is quite different from water baptism.  The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is different from the filling of the Holy Spirit.  John's water baptism of repentance is different from the regenerating baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Scripture is being grossly misinterpreted here where plain reference to the baptism of the Holy Spirit is interpreted as water baptism.  This is absolutely wrong.

As far as the Act 2:38 reference, once again from the Baptism necesary or not thread:

I can tell you what Erwin Lutzer has written on this, and this may be helpful.  He says concerning this verse, in his book The Doctrines That Divide, that the Greek grammar indicates that the command to repent is plural, "ye repent," and so is the phrase "for the remission of your [plural] sins."  These two commands agree grammatically.  The command to be baptized is singular, "every one of you be baptized," which sets it off from the rest of the sentence.  "Repent ... for the remission" is the central point.  By the way, I would encourage you and all to read Erwin Lutzer's books, he writes in a very nonjudgmental manner, but addresses the issues thoroughly and it may be helpful to those who while they prefer one way or another still have questions.

There are many deceiving spirits gone out into the world, and they will be glad to give you a good sensation as you perpetrate their lies.  You cannot dissolve the Trinity or the finished work of Christ by sensations or by misinterpretation of scripture, which is being attempted here by the modalists and the works righteousness crowd.

Wilby, we have a position in Christ, not a connection, where our salvation is concerned.  That position in Christ is by grace alone through faith alone.  We cannot produce fruit without abiding in Christ.  A Christian trying to do something for God apart from abiding in Christ will get nothing but corruption for his pains.  That is why Jesus said, Without Me you can do nothing.  A person who is not found in Christ by grace alone through faith alone cannot please God at all by any of his works, no matter how good he feels inside.

I am not interested in your therories. I quote scripture that has been ignored by you and many others in support of your beliefs.

One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism of which the Holy Ghost is a gift.

My position in Christ is as a member of His body.

You do not even know what the word grace means or how it is applied--- it is just a word that means kindness, love or even a time period such we are living in the grace period or the period of grace.

Living in the grace period means that He is giving us an extention of time to be saved--this is also known as the birth age.

Christ had every right to set up His Kingdom right after He resurrected BUT He has extended this time period to two days of grace---that is approximately two thousand years at which time He will set up His Kingdom. Only the Father knows the exact day and time but it is very soon.

The Holy Spirit is not water baptism--we receive the Holy Ghost after water baptism--after we remit the curse of death--after we receive His name at our rebirth into Christ Jesus.

ALL the deciples, Jesus and Paul taught baptism into His name.

Believe as you will but for me and my house I will follow Christ through death burial and resurrection.

As far as I know all Christians on here are water baptized including myself just in case you are wondering.

Wilby has been very forceful with his baptism doctrine on here (sincerely) and some of us speak out openly against Wilby because you would be surprised how many other doctrines are negatively impacted by this belief.

I think it is great to be re baptized in the Jordan river and may He fill you to the brim and then some...

I believe the goal of salvation is to know Him! This is the journey; while salvation from eternal damnation was instant when you believed!

Blessed be my G-d and Savior Yeshua HaMashiach

Water baptism does not give eternal life.
Faith in Jesus Name as Mashiach does!

Goal of salvation is to know the L-rd intimately.

Water Baptism is often a significant spiritual memory and blessing but an encounter with the L-rd and His Spirit is life changing!

Enforcing Water Baptism, Wilby style, has many negative biblical interpretations that flow out of this false addition to salvation.

If Water Baptism was necessary one could not receive the Holy Spirit before being dipped. This is not the case and even Wilby knows it!

shalom

Baptistic~



ThirdDay~


Yes, and yes!!

Ritual cleansing is not spiritual cleansing. The water IS only symbolic. Without the Spirit, it IS ONLY WATER. Just like our words are only words without the Spirit (prayers, songs, etc). He is our Water. He removes the sin. He continues to clean us as we walk. Until the final release from our flesh comes. AMEN!

-bowing out again- LOL