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Yes you shall receive the NEW resurrected body (Full Salvation) but for now you still have to use this one but cheer up this body is open to healing and patches!

Conclusion:

You are spiritually 100% saved when you believed with a new heart (spirit)! And you shall be saved (resurrection from the dead) onto eternal life.

Blessed be my G-d and Savior Christ Jesus

willby again you toss a The meaning of John 3:5 I quote sites that deal with the greek on this  issue but still you do not even care on the Real meanings of greek scriptures.


Jesus baptism was to begin His  mission not because He need righteousness to be saved.


You take righteousness here out of context.



Baptist and others already shown you this in Jesus baptism I suggest you look into it.


ask for john 3:5 again I will put the greek scriptures and there meanings.


try to use The bible with there meanings they were put together with instead making up your own if you want to convince anyone here.


http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/jn3v18.htm#IV


that site go into the greek and into The Old testament to.





First--regarding the word 'shall' which means:
1. plan to, intend to, or expect to: I shall go later.  
2. will have to, is determined to, or definitely will: You shall do it. He shall do it.  

Does not mean you are saved by just believing there is more to do.


wow you even disagree on what you posted look at this willby



2. will have to, is determined to, or definitely will: You shall do it. He shall do it.

so He will not Definitely save them when they Believe with there heart that there more to do?  hmmmmm.



Second--regarding the thief on the cross:
It is imperative that everyone understands we are dealing with two difference dispensation/ages. The thief was saved under the O.T. rules of which repentance when applied correctly forgiveness was granted--providing that person has to date followed all the ordinances of his day. Such as circumcision and the day of atonement under the law.

The O.T. ended at the resurrection of Christ and the N.T. begins.

After the cross the rules changed for salvation and baptism in His name and receiving the Holy Ghost is imperative.

No more circumcision of flesh, no more day of atonement etc.


willby First off answer This question did anyone died in the present of Jesus and stay dead?


Where you evidence that The theft died before jesus and went to paradise?


is this built on fact or your speculation?



I will quote scriptures later on to clear The theft thing later    

also Jesus death happen very quick and the guards mention this and pilate was shock  on how fast he died.

why does not scripture report the same for The thieves also?


scripture reports of the them talking to Jesus but not dieing in his present.



Here is a question did anyone die in Jesus presents?

To: Must be baptized in order to be saved people

We are all baptized here... we may believe different on this matter but the people we evangelize get baptized... so why don't you go on the streets get someone to believe and follow it with baptism and we will all rejoice as one.

But as far as I can see you guys just spam this forum with your website links - with the letter - for your own purposes.

Are you guys also selling a book like "no-risk" and don't want to risk it?

Sounds like a great nick for your fold.

so sorry willby your  view that the thieves   died under The old testament is proven to be false sense they had to break there legs to  make them die faster and not break Jesus legs Because he was already dead.

Wilby, responding to your post #337:

You think an act of the will of man is the means of salvation.  I did this, so I got that.  No; we Admit we are sinners, we Believe on Jesus, and with the mouth we Confess Him.  Where is the saving power? with God; not man or the river.

Have you had a chance to respond to Jans' post?  Not often the moderators can take the time to chat with us.  I hope you will respond.

Wilby: It is imperative that everyone understands we are dealing with two difference dispensation/ages. The thief was saved under the O.T. rules of which repentance when applied correctly forgiveness was granted--providing that person has to date followed all the ordinances of his day. Such as circumcision and the day of atonement under the law.

Faith: Uh.. I see. 'Dispensation' is the doctrine of Margret McDonald, Darby, Chafer, etc. It has wrought a lot of confusion and division on par with the influences of Constantine and Luther.

That's an issue here.

Wilby: After the cross the rules changed for salvation...mikveh is NOT baptism...

Faith: See? This is straight out of the dispensationist Darby Luther handbook.

Rules of Salvation (It's all in Torah):

1. Truth: Repentance, Confession, Faith in God

2. Mikveh: Baptism

3. Atonement: Yom Kippur ~ *Calvary (*once and for all)

Scripture shows 2. and 3. in either order. In Torah it's mikveh first. In NT it's mikveh once and for all as a testimony ~ agreement with the acceptance and atonement of Christ into new life. [1]

The largest mikveh ever was when Israel crossed through the Red Sea and into new life.

God bless.
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[1] See the atonement preparations of Aaron in Torah. They perfectly mirror what Christ did and called us to do ~ faith and mikveh.

RE: Where you evidence that The theft died before jesus and went to paradise?

I SAID the RESURRECTION ended the O.T covenant and the N.T. began! Not His death!

Calvery is NOT atonement that is O.T. His Blood remits Sin forever --there is a difference between remition and forgiveness.

Mikveh: Is NOT Baptism

You do not get His name when you just believe, you are not in the N.T. covenant when you just believe, you are not circumcised of heart when you just believe, and you DO NOT get the Holy Ghost if you just believe as this is a gift from the Father when you remove the curse of death.
Without the Holy Ghost you are not a new creature in Christ, you are not the Church, you are not a member of His body and you are not joint heirs with Christ and you are not in the sonship and you are not in the royal priesthood. AND you are not born of water and spirit and did not follow Jesus in the regeneration.

You can not believe yourself into the royal family on earth BUT I can be reborn into the heavenly royal family and receive His riches and blessings.

time is a wasting.......

Are you kidding? There are many examples of people who were saved and didn't undergo tevilah, and vice versa, in Torah and Brit Chadashah.

Prowler – I’m not sure how you infer that I’m Unitarian.  There is absolutely nothing I’ve posted that should draw one to that conclusion.

I know that salvation means more than eternal life and that is precisely one of the points I’ve been trying to make in my posts.   What does it mean to be “saved”?  A very closed minded interpretation comes from the Evangelical Protestant interpretation.  This is very prevalent in the American culture.  It is instant eternal salvation, without personal cost, and guaranteed.  Once-Saved-Always-Saved is very easy for Americans to accept because it is how we are accustomed to receiving things:  Served up on a platter, easy to achieve, and guaranteed irrespective of our actions and responsibilities.  My claim is that salvation has many aspects:  to be saved from the stain of original sin, to be saved from daily temptations, to be saved from sufferings, to be saved from eternal damnation.  Salvation is not a one time event but a process we go through.  It is not a fast ticket to heaven but a way of life, obedient to the Father and cooperating with the graces he gives us to transform our lives.

The rest of post #365 is a bit difficult for me to interpret.  I do notice that you are claiming I’m taking things out of context.  Could you please give me an example?  I’d specifically like you to respond to my comments regarding 1 Peter 3:20ff.  I’ve shown that you have taken 3:21 out of context by ignoring the previous verses and you’ve failed to respond.