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Wilby Wrote:

Jesus said:

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Jesus is declaring once again that He is ALL in ALL.

Peter understood the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost that why he baptized in the name YAHU'SHUAH. Being translated Yeshuah, then Jeshuah, then to us whom speak english it is Jesus. Of which Jeshua is probably the better translation for english. Anyway Jesus it is and Jesus it will remain for most.

The Father has different manifestations:

He formed himself into the image of a Son and gave life to the Son. All things were created by the Son. The Son says he does the will of His Father and speaks the words of His FAther. The Son is the Word of the Father. The Word was made flesh by the Holy Ghost overshadowing a woman and a body was made within her. That body is the perfect spotless lamb for sacrifice as He was made perfect, clean and spotless. He is the spotless Lamb for a sacrifice for the sin/curse of the world.

The shedding of His blood completed the salvation of the saints and many were seen walking the streets when Jesus resurected. Therefore, if we follow Jesus through death, burial and resurection His blood will remit the curse for us as well.

The infilling of the Holy Ghost is the ROCK that the Church is built on and after we are baptized we receive this gift from the Father. Christ is the Holy Ghost and Christ in us is our hope of glory.

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Wilby Wrote:

Ripley's Wrote:

What of Ephesians 2:8,9?

What of Ephesians 2

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved Wink

Romans 6 written below

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Being raised up means; after we are baptized we are raised up out of the water in the likeness of His resurection.

7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

This means; it will take ages to show us all the riches we will receive by being baptized into Jesus Christ. Baptism is a gift, given to us by the grace of God, which means by His kindness.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Grace is kindness from God. Faith in the blood of the Lamb means; we believe that baptism in His name will save us.

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Christ did the work, we just follow Him.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

When we get baptized we are part of His work that He created by going to the cross and making a way for us to follow Him.

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Redemption is in Jesus Christ not in grace. His free gift by His grace which is His kindness towards us, salvation comes through Jesus Christ in baptism. Baptism points to the His shed blood so if you want His blood to touch and save you then make contact with the cross through baptism in Jesus name.

Romans 6

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Ephesians 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins...

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Ephesians 2:6...hath quickened us together with Christ

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

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shocking that you do not understand that baptism is symbolic and symbol of what saves us not what literal saves us!

Typical of “Church of Christ” adherents, one Campbellite who uses John 3:5 to teach baptismal regeneration (i.e., salvation by water baptism), wrote:

"We do not believe in baptismal regeneration. It's doctrine teaches that Baptism alone saves you without faith, repentance, and confession. By this doctrine, people teach infant baptism, sprinkling, etc.”

Our standard reply as Bible believers is that the alleged “Church of Christ” DOES believe in baptismal regeneration. They believe that you are born again (regenerated) when you are baptized in water. They believe at the point of baptism, not faith, a person is regenerated. That IS baptismal regeneration, and that is what they believe, call it what they will.

part one

In Defense of the Truth

To defend the faith once delivered to the saints (Jude 3), I will give the biblical interpretation of John 3:5.

Let’s look at the passage (John 3:3-7) in its entirety and pay attention to the context.

Verse 3: Jesus says a man must be born again. This of course indicates a 2nd birth, which must mean there was a 1st birth.

Verse 4: Nicodemus asks a question out of ignorance. He doesn't understand what the Lord means. He wants to know if the Lord means he must be born again the "second time" from his mother; i.e., must he be born a 2nd time PHYSICALLY.

Verse 5: The Lord gets real simple and basic with Nicodemus. He says that a man must be born of water and of the Spirit. That's TWO BIRTHS!

part 2

http://www.solidrockbaptist.net/index2.html

erse 6: The Lord continues to explain that it is a birth of the flesh and a birth of the Spirit. That's TWO BIRTHS!

Verse 7: Jesus said ye must be born AGAIN ‑ that means TWO BIRTHS!

The ‘Water’ of John 3:3-7 is NOT Baptism and is NOT part of the New Birth

Verses 3 and 7 speak of being born again, which implies a 1st and 2nd birth –

  TWO BIRTHS!

Verse 4 speaks of the 1st birth, which is physical, and Nicodemus asks if the 2nd birth is also physical. (Notice the reference to the “mother’s womb”—   when the baby starts to come out of the womb the “water breaks.”)

Verses 5 and 6 speak of the 1st birth as a water birth and a fleshly birth  in relation to the mother's womb (again, see verse 4); in verses 5 and 6 the Bible speaks of the 2nd birth also as a Spirit birth.

That's TWO BIRTHS!

The first birth is a physical, fleshly one that brings you into this world as a sinner in need of redemption.

The second birth is a spiritual one  which is regeneration, being born again; that makes one a child of God by faith in Christ (John 1:12,13).

The verses, 3-7, clearly show that the "water" in the passage is a reference to the first birth, the physical birth into this world. The first birth you are born a sinner; the second birth you are born a saint, a son of God, and become a saved individual.

In verses 5 & 6, the words 'flesh' and 'water' are used for the same birth, the first one, the natural one, the physical one, just as the word Spirit is used in both verses for the second birth.

The 'water' of John 3:5 is definitely NOT water baptism IN THE CONTEXT.

There are TWO BIRTHS in verse 3. There are TWO BIRTHS in verse 4. There are TWO BIRTHS in verse 6. There are TWO BIRTHS in verse 7. In the midst of four verses that indicate two births, the Campbellites make verse 5 to refer to ONE BIRTH, making the water and Spirit birth the same in that one verse! The Campbellites make the Lord Jesus Christ to CHANGE HIS TRAIN OF THOUGHT right in the MIDDLE of the conversation, like so —

V. 3 – two births.

V. 4 – two births.

V. 5 – ONE and the SAME birth (?!)

V. 6 – two births.

V. 7 – two births.

The “Church of Christ” (so-called) position is TOTAL NONSENSE because it makes NO SENSE in the CONTEXT of the passage.

part 3

http://www.solidrockbaptist.net/index2.html

The Salvation of the Soul is by FAITH in Christ as One’s Personal Saviour.

In the context of the same conversation, our Lord makes the following famous statement: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). This clearly shows us that the way to be born again is to exercise faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. As the apostle Paul wrote in Romans 10:10 – “…with the heart man believeth unto righteousness.” As the apostle Peter told the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:37, the prerequisite for water baptism is believing “with all thine heart” in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, the Saviour. According to John 1:12,13 a sinner is “born of God” (“born again” – John 3) when he receives Christ by believing on his name.

The salvation of the soul is dependent upon personal FAITH in Christ as Savior, not water baptism. To teach that the water of John 3:5 is baptism, and necessary to salvation, is to wrest the scriptures and promote a damnable heresy that will doom those who believe such a false doctrine to an eternal lake of fire.

Pastor Martin

part 4 http://www.solidrockbaptist.net/index2.html

sugarman Wrote:

Wilby Wrote:

Jesus said:

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Jesus is declaring once again that He is ALL in ALL.

Peter understood the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost that why he baptized in the name YAHU'SHUAH. Being translated Yeshuah, then Jeshuah, then to us whom speak english it is Jesus. Of which Jeshua is probably the better translation for english. Anyway Jesus it is and Jesus it will remain for most.

The Father has different manifestations:

He formed himself into the image of a Son and gave life to the Son. All things were created by the Son. The Son says he does the will of His Father and speaks the words of His FAther. The Son is the Word of the Father. The Word was made flesh by the Holy Ghost overshadowing a woman and a body was made within her. That body is the perfect spotless lamb for sacrifice as He was made perfect, clean and spotless. He is the spotless Lamb for a sacrifice for the sin/curse of the world.

The shedding of His blood completed the salvation of the saints and many were seen walking the streets when Jesus resurected. Therefore, if we follow Jesus through death, burial and resurection His blood will remit the curse for us as well.

The infilling of the Holy Ghost is the ROCK that the Church is built on and after we are baptized we receive this gift from the Father. Christ is the Holy Ghost and Christ in us is our hope of glory.

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ThirdDay Wrote:

prophet Wrote:

Actually he doesn't....as for where do we find that jesus is the name of the Father....its been posted in other threads...you know the one where he says "I come in my Father's Name"...ring a bell....
how about "If you had known the me you would have known the Father and now see him"
"I and m Father are one" and the same(my add for clarity)

I am in the Father and the Father is in me"...
The Father(Jesus is in me Holy Ghost) as the scripture says:

Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfil] the lusts [thereof].

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ

as I said ...I am in Christ and Christ is in me....just as Jesus said the Father is in me and I am in the Father....Holy GHost(Father)was in Jesus and Jesus put on the Father" Spirit just as He commands us to put on Him.

What does Yeshua being in the Father and the Father being in Yeshua have to do with the claim that the Father's name is Yeshua?

That's a non sequitor. If A is in B, it doesn't mean A is B. If the Holy Spirit is in me, does that mean I'm the Holy Spirit? The New Agers would say so, but not Christians.

Isn't the House of Judah also the House of Ephraim and they are now one tribe?

1John 5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

The sin that is unto death is the curse, the sin of the world. This is only remitted by baptism in Jesus name.

Isaiah 43:27-28 (King James Version)

27 Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.

28 Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.

Romans 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Adam brought death and the curse to man. Moses set up a priestrhood given by God to deal with this sin.

Baptism is our day deals with this sin. Baptism is the name of Jesus remits the curse when we are born again by water and spirit.

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Wilby Wrote:

sugarman Wrote:

Wilby Wrote:

Jesus said:

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Jesus is declaring once again that He is ALL in ALL.

Peter understood the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost that why he baptized in the name YAHU'SHUAH. Being translated Yeshuah, then Jeshuah, then to us whom speak english it is Jesus. Of which Jeshua is probably the better translation for english. Anyway Jesus it is and Jesus it will remain for most.

The Father has different manifestations:

He formed himself into the image of a Son and gave life to the Son. All things were created by the Son. The Son says he does the will of His Father and speaks the words of His FAther. The Son is the Word of the Father. The Word was made flesh by the Holy Ghost overshadowing a woman and a body was made within her. That body is the perfect spotless lamb for sacrifice as He was made perfect, clean and spotless. He is the spotless Lamb for a sacrifice for the sin/curse of the world.

The shedding of His blood completed the salvation of the saints and many were seen walking the streets when Jesus resurected. Therefore, if we follow Jesus through death, burial and resurection His blood will remit the curse for us as well.

The infilling of the Holy Ghost is the ROCK that the Church is built on and after we are baptized we receive this gift from the Father. Christ is the Holy Ghost and Christ in us is our hope of glory.

GET SAVED!

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will when you do not use the greek meanings it very easy to mis-use english words and maake them say what they want.

if you want to understand the english you then must learn the language behind the english.